Originally posted by Cinemaddictionwho would you call an outsider? 😕 Am I an outsider because I'm not a mod... does that make my opinion any less valid than your own?
If they did, I don't see why they continue to disagree? "Outsiders", in essence, meaning the opinions of people outside adminstrative decisions. Sorry that was taken out of context.
Or is my opinion worth more than that of a "noob" with only 30 posts?
are we talking experience, post count, intelligence, modliness, what? 😛
I think the whole of what is a 'moderator' has been taken out of context by many.
Being a mod doesnt mean your opinions are more valid than others, being a moderator is not practicing the power over other posters or anything similar.
Its simply a group of people Raz selected to help him do the job hes been doing very well for the past 5 years.
I dont feel bigger or better than any other member on here, because thats all i am - a member. Im only here temporary to help out Raz as long as i am capable of doing so to attract more people to this place.
We are just as members as anyone else. We just got Raz's trust and are here to help him run this place smoothly, for all other members and new members to come, not for few of us who are moderators.
Thus, everyone's opinion is of equal value - thinking differently is foolish.
Yay Milla 😊 for posting that.
Keep in mind that Raz HAS taken many member suggestions and actually done something with them...why do you think there's all the different forums here? Members suggested them. I was part of the group that was asking for an artwork forum and an anime forum. So apparently Raz does listen to what members have to say.
I have no problem with Raz, its ironic, he has the most power yet is one of the most down to earth mods here.
I dont have a problem with any mod, but i dont like being called an outsider, as though i dont matter to this place. I myself might not, but members as a whole do, and are essentially the most important element of this site.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
whip Imma all whip you to place now!! Grrr!But ok, seriously, you all know you matter as much as moderators. In fact, no, you members matter [b]more
than us moderators - because without you, there would be no need for us. [/B]
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
whip Imma all whip you to place now!! Grrr!But ok, seriously, you all know you matter as much as moderators. In fact, no, you members matter [b]more
than us moderators - because without you, there would be no need for us. [/B]
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*Whilst hugging pickpockets millas counterfeit Criminal Damage trousers!*
*b!tch pose* winkiss
Originally posted by Storm
Because we have the right to give our views. And at times, the opinion of us 'outsiders' are taken into consideration.
Apparently not the religion forums, because it's always been a personal decision! I'm not trying to be hurtful, but instances like this, members opinions aren't usually going to be strong enough to sway an adminstrators personal convictions.
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
Really not happy. Matrix as a subforum? 🤨Im glad this isnt Cins site fear
This is really disturbing me. Exactly WHAT is that you people have against me? This is the SECOND instances, and I've also got reports of people talking behind my back. If you're taking issue to how I am conducting myself, let me know, otherwise, how do you expect me to be more efficient?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
People ''outside administrive decisions'' are basically members. And they are rather important.Not to speak for Raz or anything, but all Raz does (the forum making and moving and such) he does in order for the members to feel happy. As Storm already mentioned, the opinions of those 'outsiders' as you called them, are rather important.
I'll say it again, including the Religion forums? He stated precisely why they were moved. Granted, member feedback created the forum, which looks to have always been troubled, otherwise it wouldn't be DE-moted, which I'll assume was strictly Raz's decision, given the people who disagree with it.
I realize feedback is important, but certain issues aren't going to include their input, if they realize it, it's pointless to argue.
Originally posted by dave123
who would you call an outsider? 😕 Am I an outsider because I'm not a mod... does that make my opinion any less valid than your own?Or is my opinion worth more than that of a "noob" with only 30 posts?
are we talking experience, post count, intelligence, modliness, what? 😛
Drop the whole "outsider" charade, you guys, again, misinterpreted what I was suggesting. I'm an "outsider" as well, and I never claimed to be anything other than that. The promotion or demotion of something that involves a personal conviction such as RELIGION is precisely that. Personal. If Raz chooses NOT to promote it on HIS site, then so be it. OUR input, again, more times than not, won't be taken into account because it's an administrative decision.
Originally posted by The Inkeeper
All peoples opinions have the same value, whether a mods, a new members, a senior member, whoever.
Would a CEO heed Donald Trump's advice at the same value as someone who just started a real estate firm? No. If someone is better business minded than another, and has a prven track record, one opinion is obviously going to be more valuable than the other. No question that everyone's opinion is important, given that situation CALLS for others opinions, unlike the Religion thread decision, but what you say simply isn't true.
Originally posted by Raz
People, lets not blow this out of proportion. CA did not mean to offend anyone.Let me just state that I do take into account what members have to say. The suggestion thread itself should make this pretty obvious.
Not at all, and the sooner everyone realizes it, the better off you'll all be. Sorry that articulate myself in a way that isn't exactly "common". I'm pretty business minded, having attended a trade school, being an entreprenuer myself, I conduct myself professionally, aaaaaand I'm a debate freak, so if I go on a tangent, like this, forgive me.
I love all of you, value your opinions of me, and only want the best for the entire board. Misinterpretation has followed me around all my years, just know "outsiders" was a fluke, and you guys took it the TOTALLY wrong way.
Now, if Raz admits that his decision to demote the Religion forums was based on the overwhelming opinions of the board members, and not his own convictions, then I'll eat crow and step down as a moderator if necessary.
However, if his decision was soley personal, then maybe you'll see that not everyone's opinion influences every executive decision on this board, and that I was absolutely right in my rebuttal.