abortion: good or bad?

Originally posted by CandyKoRn
That's their country, do you live there?

My point is, in the country we live in it's 2 months.

If you can't concentrate on the problems at home, why bother trying to change the world?

Simply because there can only be one correct answer, and the law as it is is not based on any firm scientific evidence, and that worries me. Until we know for SURE when the foetus becomes properly sentient, no-one can hide behind the law and be CERTAIN it is not murder.

We can be pretty sure the Chinese are wrong; how sure can we be that we are right?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Simply because there can only be one correct answer, and the law as it is is not based on any firm scientific evidence, and that worries me. Until we know for SURE when the foetus becomes properly sentient, no-one can hide behind the law and be CERTAIN it is not murder.

We can be pretty sure the Chinese are wrong; how sure can we be that we are right?

There is never one correct answer, Ush.

That's your opinion.

life isn't just correct and incorrect answers and/or solutions.

I think the sooner you get that the better.

That is absolutely ridiculous, Candy. That is the silliest thing I have heard all argument.

Logicially speaking, there is a point at which it stops being a collection of cells and starts being a human being. There cannot be TWO points at which that happens, or three or four or five. Just one. People's opinion of when that point is differs. Only a maximum of one option can be correct. 2 and 2 is four, no matter how many people think it is 6, 10 or 19.

So until science can establish what proper sentience is and when it starts in a developing baby, we do not know when it really should become illegal to abort or not- we can only guess.

They do have scientific evidence of when it "does", clearly, I very much doubt they'd make a law like that on a whim, do you?

I understand your point, as with all laws, people and cells etc. don't change overnight... but the fact of the matter is if someone else wants to abort they should have the right to.

Before Abortion was legal women were using coat hangers, I really don't want to go back to that just because of people like you and your scientific theories and fears.

Actually, no, they don't have any helpful scientific evidence. No-one really knows what to look for. The law is an educated guess, and very often much to do with potential harm to the Mother as well- a very proper concern of course.

But when on Earth did I talk about going back to doing it with coat hangers? It so happens I support pro-choice. I cannot prove it is wrong to anyone, any more than they can prove it right. I just WORRY we have it all wrong. That is why I would not do it if I were a woman- even if it ruined my life, I just could not take that risk. But if it were my girlfriend that were pregnant, whilst I would counsel against it, I would accept the choice is hers.

So, enlighten me, you're "worrying" that we have it all wrong, and?

What will happen then? if we have got it all wrong that is.

Well, if we have it wrong, then there are a large amount of murders being performed on demand.

lol... I love how you freely use the term "Murder"

I think you should go look it up in a dictionary, and come back and hopefully choose to rephrase that...

'cause for the last time, It isn't Murder.

In your opinion. But you cannot PROVE that.

If it is a sentient human that is being destroyed, it is murder. We have been through this already, and making a childish reference to the meaning of murder does not advance this any further.

yup, opinion... my opinion comes from the meaning of the word "murder" according to the dictionary.

I thought that'd mean it to be fact, no?

That is just insulting your own intelligence. It is your interpretation that is at fault. Because at some point in the womb, the foetus becomes a human being, and we do not know when that is.

Once it is a human being, it fits any definition of murder.

Actually, Before they perform any Abortion now, They check how far developed the Fetus is, with a consultation between 3 doctors or something, and only with those three signature of consent can the abortion go through.

So you really have no reason to worry.

Yet I do- because we still cannot be certain at what the correct point it. The Doctors still have to make educated guesses on the best info they have, which I am sure they are very good at, but it is not an area which is in any way precise.

Besides which, many Doctors in this country happily sign off for abortions at 21 weeks- there was a debate about this on Newsnight two months back, with one Doctor saying that now it was safe for the mother to do that, due to technological advances, she would happily sign off on it.

21 weeks- they look human by then. You cannot tell me I can be certain that that was not a proper human life. Not for SURE.

(24 weeks is the cutoff point for physical/mental health reasons, btw)

I totally relate to what you're saying, believe me.

I'm not saying that Abortion is always the right thing to do, but I just couldn't deny any women from having the choice.

That's why I would never want to be in that position.

Well, nor would I deny any wom,an the choice. And to any Pro-Lifer who thinks a woman should be compelled to not do it, I would simply turn my argument around and tell te Pro-Lifer the same thing- can you PROVE to her it is truly human? If not, the risk, and therefore the choice, is hers to take and not yours.

I would not take that risk, but if anyone else wants to, that is their choice and I would support that.

Always use double protection people!

(sorry, had to add that)

Ah, well, I have a small problen in that department...

lol? really? explain, please 😄

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... that's kinda embarassing...