Abortion is acceptable to me. But, in normal circumstances, I' d never want an abortion. Nothing new will be added from the time of union of sperm and egg until the death of the old man or woman except growth and development of what is already there at the beginning. All he or she needs is time to develop and mature. So to me, it' s human from the beginning.
I know there are extreme situations and I don' t know what I would decide when I ended up in such a situation.
If the abortion is only a couple of days after conception, then I dont see anything wrong with it.
Also, if the pregnant person is not ready to be a parent, or is not willing to have another child, then it would be wrong (both for the parent and the would be child) for the pregnancy to be taken through to full term of pregnancy.
Originally posted by mook
Abortion is not murder.In some cases it is the best solution for both mother and unborn fetus.
(i.e. when it is not wanted and/or cannot be cared for)
Abortion IS Murder! The baby has a heartbeat and a mindstate, thus making it alive. It is unborn, but it is alive. Anyway, if it wasn't wanted, then the parents should have thought about using protection. If it can't be cared for, then they should put it up for adoption. Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control.
Sure it does. That gives you a pretty damn good chance of not getting pregnant.
Omega> If they ahd used contraception, and still gotten pregnant, then I think the baby should be put up for adoption. Nobody told them they had to have sex, they made that choice, they deal with the consequences. Abortion should be used in the most dire of circumstances, and that's it.
Originally posted by Jeff_Atello
Hypothetically speaking, let's say you have a daughter, and she was raped by her grandfather and he got her pregnant...would you honestly want her to be forced to give birth to that child? That's completely absurd. Why put her through that trauma? Abortion, in cases like this, is a god thing. Abortion as form of birth control, as most of us have said, is stupid. Use a condom or the pill!
Dude its still half hers.. can you deny that?
Perhaps it will die or be deformed ... but its still life. The monster that caused this anguish should truly be the emphasis of this story. How many sickos in the world was seriously do that? Perhaps we should not be looking at the end result of the problem but rather the ideals that caused it.
ok, here's something for all you pro-lifers to think about: Every day, you kill literally millions of protists every day--whenever you take a drink of water, or eat a meal, or wash your hands. Killing them is not murder. Now, as I have said before, at the stage where an abortion can be successfully attempted, the fetus is NOT A CONSCIOUS BEING. It is essentially a cluster of cells with a little wad of brain matter that controls vital functions. The protists I mentioned earlier are more conscious than the fetus at this stage. So, if you object to the removal of an underdeveloped fetus, you should theoretically stop killing anything. Also, in many cases, the child won't live more than a few hours after being born, so what is the point of putting the mother through such a difficult experience for a stillborn or terminally ill baby? It does more harm than good.
Also, a lot of pro-lifers are in favor of the death penalty, but abortion is "murder" to them? That's just messed up.
Originally posted by Raventheonly
Dude its still half hers.. can you deny that?
Perhaps it will die or be deformed ... but its still life. The monster that caused this anguish should truly be the emphasis of this story. How many sickos in the world was seriously do that? Perhaps we should not be looking at the end result of the problem but rather the ideals that caused it.
There's not a damn thing you can do to stop rapists, until they are caught, and by then, it's too late. The baby is half hers, technically, but it was forced. She didn't want it, she wasn't trying to have one, she was forced to have sex and the rapist got her pregnant. How can you sit back and say that it's still half hers, as if that makes it better. Sure, the sick individual who caused it should be the topic of discussion, but we're talking about the baby that is forming as a result of the rape.
I think that if I ever would chose for abortion, the memory of it would hunt me. I' d rather remember that I gave my baby life. And that because I loved him, I gave him into the arms of a, hopefully, loving couple then to remember that I selfishly ended my baby's life.
Though, knowing that my child would be raised by an other family would be extremely hard for me.
OK, someone ((I think it was Omega)) said that it should only be the woman's decision. I agree with this to a certain extent, but I do think the father should be allowed part of the decision too. ((any brits see Casualty on Saturday? You'll know what I'm talking about))
If I ever got pregnant and decided, for whatever reason, to abort it ((I wouldn't, but this is HYPOTHETICAL)), could I really not allow the father a chance to decide whether or not I killed our child? I certainly wouldn't lie to him, I couldn't not tell him I was pregnant then kill the baby and never tell him. What if he truly would love the child, should I just rip that away from him without even consulting him?
Originally posted by Jeff_Atello
Abortion IS Murder! The baby has a heartbeat and a mindstate, thus making it alive. It is unborn, but it is alive. Anyway, if it wasn't wanted, then the parents should have thought about using protection. If it can't be cared for, then they should put it up for adoption. Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control.
i dont think anyone uses it as birth control - only as a last resort when things go wrong.
i cant belive any woman would ever want to go through that unless it was absolutely necessary.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
ok, here's something for all you pro-lifers to think about: Every day, you kill literally millions of protists every day--whenever you take a drink of water, or eat a meal, or wash your hands. Killing them is not murder. Now, as I have said before, at the stage where an abortion can be successfully attempted, the fetus is NOT A CONSCIOUS BEING. It is essentially a cluster of cells with a little wad of brain matter that controls vital functions. The protists I mentioned earlier are more conscious than the fetus at this stage. So, if you object to the removal of an underdeveloped fetus, you should theoretically stop killing anything. Also, in many cases, the child won't live more than a few hours after being born, so what is the point of putting the mother through such a difficult experience for a stillborn or terminally ill baby? It does more harm than good.
Also, a lot of pro-lifers are in favor of the death penalty, but abortion is "murder" to them? That's just messed up.
I am undecided, rather than a pro-lifer. As I keep pointing out, Revan, the point at which abortion can be 'successfully attempted' is open to question. Do I have to mention my Chinense example? These are fully formed babies they 'abort'. That is obviously too far, so I can only ask again- how can we define the point where it starts to become murder?
Originally posted by Phoenix
OK, someone ((I think it was Omega)) said that it should only be the woman's decision. I agree with this to a certain extent, but I do think the father should be allowed part of the decision too. ((any brits see Casualty on Saturday? You'll know what I'm talking about))If I ever got pregnant and decided, for whatever reason, to abort it ((I wouldn't, but this is HYPOTHETICAL)), could I really not allow the father a chance to decide whether or not I killed our child? I certainly wouldn't lie to him, I couldn't not tell him I was pregnant then kill the baby and never tell him. What if he truly would love the child, should I just rip that away from him without even consulting him?
Whilst I absolutely agree that it is a decision that the father should be consulted about...
... if abortion is NOT murder, then the foetus is an extension of the woman's body and, harsh as it may be, it is absolutely her final say on things.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
I am undecided, rather than a pro-lifer. As I keep pointing out, Revan, the point at which abortion can be 'successfully attempted' is open to question. Do I have to mention my Chinense example? These are fully formed babies they 'abort'. That is obviously too far, so I can only ask again- how can we define the point where it starts to become murder?
Ok, safely attempted. I know it's possible to "abort" a fully formed baby, but it's very dangerous. And in most countries it is, thankfully, illegal to do so.
Ush> Why does it cease to be murder just because it cannot live without medical aid? Let me see if I can explain my view-point better then: Up until the child is born, it cannot survive without the woman’s body. It is not an independent organism, so to speak.
Yes, babies are born prematurely, and without hi-tech aid, they would DIE. Again – they’re not independent human beings.
You can call it murder if you want to. But the way I see it, the unborn child is not an independent human being as is the woman. And I’m not sure what you mean about the babies not born prematurely that need medical treatment – I’m talking about an independent individual.
You’re entitled to your opinion on whether or not it is murder. As am I. And please refrain from calling my opinion “disturbing” because it is not yours. Or I’ll call yours sexist and male-chauvinistic, conservative and reactionary.
Here in DK you can get a free abortion up until the 12th week. After that, there has to be special circumstances.
Jeff> But what if the woman doesn’t want to spend 10 months being pregnant, with all the side-effects of said condition. It is HER body.
Darth> Well, said.
Phoenix> But it SHOULD be the woman’s decision. And hers alone. It is HER body after all. It DOES take two to MAKE a baby, but only one to carry it for ten months, and ONE to give birth.