Justice League (Past & Present) vs. Avengers (Past & Present)

You are lying. I have the synopsis of the Issue #3 here.
http://www.avengersassemble.us/ema-3.html

It says nothing of Binary losing her power.
They even fought an alternate universe Binary, called Lady Marvel (who is not Binary.) Morgan used Scarlet witches reality altering power to make a new Universe called Morganverse and her own Avengers. Sounds like Scarlet Witch is stronger than Oa to me).

Thirty-Nine Avengers? Presumably the Beast's counting the heroes present in this scene: Sersi, Starfox, Spider-Woman (II), Quasar (III), Swordsman (II), Magdalene, Darkhawk, USAgent, Black Widow (II), Sandman, Tigra, Moondragon, ***BINARY***, Rage, Iron Man, Vision (II), Black Knight (III), Scarlet Witch, Stingray, Machine Man, Hercules, Firestar, Justice, D-Man, Quicksilver, Crystal, Falcon (II), She-Hulk, Stingray, Living Lightning, Firebird, Sub-Mariner, Black Panther and Beast himself. "

Face the fact that Binary was an Avenger, however short the time period my have been.

I have the Official Handbook of the Avengers and the actual issue right here next to me. She was NOT an Avenger during the Morgan Le Fay. She was called because she served as an Avenger once as Ms. Marvel. Justice and Firestar were there even though they were never Avengers Her powers were severely depleted. ( She was taken out with a telekinetic blast from Justice. At her regular strength, she wouldn't fall to such an attack. ) She was inducted into the Avengers as Warbird in issue #4.

Oa created the universe and has powers over life and death. Wanda is speck of dust to them.

Don't accuse ME of lying when I disproved you numerous times in the previous posts. You started this Binary debacle by saying she was an Avenger in #171.

Lies are Lies. Binary was never an Avenger. When she participated in the Morgan Le Fay problem, her powers were not even a shadow of what they used to be. If a teenage New Warrior can take her out. Than anyone of the JLA can.

I have recently been called a liar and I laughed it off I mean come on who would actually lie in order to make their favorite comic hero look good. If he wasnt awesome he wouldnt be my favorite, uh duh.

In issue 4 she still had the ability to become Binary. In issue 3, where does it say beast tested her? In every Avengers roster, you will find Binary's name. According to the synopsis, Binary is a member. Binary is eligible for this fight.

I thought Source created the universe. Anyway, that's irellevant.

If Captain Marvel was in on it, JLA would have no hope. Thor does possess lightspeed, it says so on the website. (Speed isn't teleportation)

She lost her powers in issue #3. The Beast performed tests on her and concluded that her powers as Binary were completely gone. Carol herself said she could never transform again. They then made new and weird codenames for her.

In issue #5, She and Captain America sparred together, in the training room. Cap asked her why she didn't just turn into Binary and lay waste to the droids. Warbird dodged the question because she already lost her powers in the prior issue.

The synopsis is wrong. I have the comic right next to me.

ONCE AGAIN, Binary's powers were SEVERELY depleted. A 19-year old kid with telekinetic powers took out. That's how weak she was. In X-Men Unlimited she consulted the X-Men (Rogue, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Bishop and the Beast) to help her with her depleting powers. They couldn't do anything

Binary was NEVER a member. She was called as a guest. She was OFFICIALLY made an Avenger in issue #4 as WARBIRD. She no longer had her Binary powers when she was inducted into the Avengers.

If by the Kree Captain Marvel, then yes the Avengers would have the upper hand. If by the black female Captain Marvel, then no the Avengers would still lose.

Thor DOES NOT possess lightspeed superspeed. The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : Avengers says so. If your website source is marvel.com I would advise disregarding it because the site has a lot of bugs. They gave the Juggernaut "Super-Genius" intelligence stat. It says in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : Avengers and I quote "By spinning Mjolinir in a circle, Thor can open portals to other dimensions and locations" This is his teleportation power. Honestly, have you have seen Thor run around like the Flash or hit his opponents with lightning fast blows. Remember Hyperion? Why didn't Thor employ his superspeed during that battle? Or during the Ultron battle? Or any other battle?

And you STILL haven't replied to the argument concerning Dr. Fate's magic nor MM's telepathy.

Joined: (As Ms. Marvel) Avengers vol. 1, #183
Re-Joined: (As Warbird) Avengers vol. 3 #4; #26 (following her court martial)
Resigned: (As Ms. Marvel) Avengers vol. 1, #200 (As Warbird) Avengers vol. 3, #7
Team Roster: (As Ms. Marvel) Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Thor, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Vision, Wasp, Yellowjacket, Falcon, Beast, Hawkeye & Jocasta. (As Warbird) Captain America, Scarlet Witch, Iron Man, Vision, Hawkeye, Wasp, Hank Pym, Thor, Justice, Firestar, She-Hulk, Triathlon & Silverclaw.

Don't take this the wrong way Cube, but your Dc knowledge is kinda limited isn't it? I'll admit, mines is too, but, I know enough about most of the characters to know that they'd give the Avengers far more hell than you're making it out to be. Especially the members I mentioned in my last post. Oh, and Draco's pretty much correct about what the JLA members are capable of. They can easily do the things he mentioned they can.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I was trying to get someone to post with the story. It could go much differently. Besides aren't we all a little "biased" deep in our hearts? Your forgetting Iron Man, Binary, Human Torch, She Hulk, Namor, and War Machine.

Dr. Fate is nowhere near Strange's power; he isn't a Sorcerer Supreme. Hulk never destroyed adamantinum; adamantinum is indestructable. He bent it, (an adamantinum cage, to be exact.) Scarlet witch could easily dispel a such a cage. I don't think Sue would have much of a problem trapping Flash; he can't see her. It's not like she has to run up and tag him to put a force field around him.

In response to Draco: Once Martian Manhunter catches a glimpse of Human Torch; no more telepathy (or anything else.)

True, we are a little biased somewhat, but I still know when my favorite character's beat, whether by a lot or a little. And I didn't forget the guys you mentioned, I purposely left them out. They're good, but they'd still get dropped by most of the JLA members.

Draco already explained Dr. Fate, so I won't repeat it. And, Hulk bending adamantium, that was retconned as secondary adamantium, which is cheaper and less costly than true adamantium. Iron Man and Thor have dealt with that kind of adamantium also. True adamantium has yet to be significantly damaged. And true, maybe Flash won't see Sue, but what makes you think she'll see Flash? And, what makes you think she'll be fast enough to catch him in a forcefield? If she was a problem invisible, and no doubt she would be, Martian Manhunter or Fate can deal with her as Draco said.

And although I have to look it up for proper issues since I know you'll ask for it. Martian Manhunter DID finally get rid of his fear of fire a while ago, it's been explained many times throughout this forum.

And since when does Thor move at lightspeed? While being pulled by Mjolnir, I doubt it but it would be understandable. But, you're certainly not saying he's that fast on his own, cause he's never displayed that kind of speed on foot to my knowledge.

I will admit, I might be wrong, but like I said, I've never seen him use that kind of speed in a fight.

Okay, Cube, to find out about Martian Manhunter's former fear of fire, check out JLA: Trial by Fire, issues #84 through 89.

Draco, just let him have Binary. She was never on the roster, I grant you that, but there are other powerful Avengers he should have chosen, but didn't, i.e. Captain Mar-Vell, Quasar, Sersi, Moon Dragon (who could have used her telepathic powers to stalemate MM), Starfox, Wonder Man Starhawk (and other guardians of the Galaxy) Vision, Living Lightning, Mantis and Whizzer 😉.

Don't Sue Richard's force fields block telepathy?

Also, the Human Torch on the roster is Jim Hammond, I presume? As Johnny Storm was never an Avenger. If so, look at what Hammond can currently do, while unable to flame on, he has advanced pyro-kinetic control that he had never exhibited in his earlier "life". He has caused an entire army to spontaneously combust and explode. Being an android, he is resistant to telepathy.

Also, towards the end, before Bendis decided to be an ass, Scarlet Witch had advanced control over her powers and had trained in magic. She has used her hexes to instantaneously age things thousands of years so they turn to dust, evacuate air from a given area and more. Look at the Red Zone where she displayed some powerful abilities. And then look at she was capable with when she was off her nut, warping reality and creating people out of thin air. She doesn't just rely on her mutant abilities, but has honed them with seperate magic abilities, and towards the end her hexes were very reliable.

Sue's force fields do not block telepathy. Psylocke once took her out with her telepathy.

Binary should not be on the team because she was never an Avenger and plus its completely unfair to the JLA. She could give Galactus a run for his money. And there are many powerful League members he could have used like Captain Marvel, Orion, Barda, Mr. Miracle, Triumph, and Zatanna, not to mention the entire GL Corps. The Avengers are outmatched.

Cosmic Cube thought that Johnny Storm was an Avenger. He didn't know about the original Human Torch.The original Human Torch was powerful but he still out of his league. MM isn't vulnerable to fire anymore so he could just take him out the old-fashioned way.

Scarlet Witch (before Bendis' disaster makeover) is nowhere near the league of Dr. Fate. Dr. Strange took out Scarlet Witch at her best. He and Dr. Fate are on the same level. Dr. Fate has eons of magical experience and has control over all magics (including reality-warping magics).

To Tron: You are right, My DC comic knowledge is limited. I underestimated many of the Justice League Members. Draco is also correct. Though Binary could take the entire JLA singlehandedly, she was never an integral of the Avengers. So, I've revamped the Avenger's roster.

Captain America
Captain Mar-vell
Wonder Man
Thor
Vision
Hulk
Iron Man
Dr. Druid
She Hulk
Sersi
Moon Dragon
Spiderman
SpiderWoman
Firestar
Living Lightning
Scarlet Witch
Namor
Mr. Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Gilgamesh

Make any necessary changes to the Justice League Roster.

Marvel.com does have bugs but they aren't so bad that the information is irretrievable. (Besides, the bug is mainly on the ability chart, it says Thor has godlike speed under his powers.) If you choose one character, then choose another, sometimes you will get the previous character's ability stats on the current characters profile.

After much thought and consideration, I'm going with the Avengers on this one.

Thor can fly at lightspeed on earth using Mjolnir, and at warp speed in space. He does not twirl Mjolnir to teleport, he does so to shield himself. Wonder Woman surely could not go toe to toe with him. Thor would tear open a dimensional rift with Mjolnir and toss Wonder Woman into it.