Justice League (Past & Present) vs. Avengers (Past & Present)

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Moon Dragon is a better telepath.

Triumph aka DC Magneto:

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/archive/index.php/t-26800.html

Moon Dragon IS NOT a better telepath. MM is better than Charles Xavier for God's Sake. Search for the Telepathic Battle : Martian Manhunter vs. Professor X thread. You'll see what he is capable of there.

I assume the Justice League task force is the Justice League?

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Manitou Raven comes from around 1000BCE in a time that has been labelled the Obsidian Age. He is a native American from a tribe that would one day become the Apache tribe. Little is known of his early life or how he came to be one of the planet's most powerful mages. He met and fell in love with his wife after she set fire to his house and burned it to the ground. He was so impressed with her rebellious nature and defiance that he pursued her.

Manitou was later recruited by Rama Khan and Gamemnae, the rulers of Atlantis, to join a collection of heroes from around the world and from rival societies in forming a multicultural 'League of Ancients.' The purpose of the League was to combat a seven headed hydra that Gamemnae had foretold would come through time and destroy their world. Gamemnae had conjured this to serve her own ends as she knew that the JLA would defeat her plans of world conquest.

Manitou came to the 21st century to fulfil Gamemnae's wishes. Plaguing the JLA'ers dreams and attacking them with flocks of ravens, Manitou, along with Tezumak, tried to destroy the JLA. Luring them away by dissolving himself and Tezumak into leaves, Manitou cast a spell that returned him to his 1004BCE home where he could warn Gamemnae that the JLA had followed them back in time. During the ensuing battle with the JLA, Manitou learnt the truth of Gamemnae's deception.

Convincing the JLA to sacrifice themselves and commit their souls to him, Manitou escaped Gamemnae, who was planning on absorbing all the League of Ancients' souls into her body. Plotting with Aquaman, Manitou set about saving the JLA by returning to the 21st century and reanimating their bodies, enabling them to battle Gamemnae with the contingency JLA. Raven aided the JLA defeating Gamemnae by casting a containment spell around Atlantis whilst the contingency league defeated her. Manitou elected to remain in the 21st century with Dawn and was recommended for JLA membership by Jason Blood.

Manitou and Dawn immersed themselves in 21st century culture. Manitou lowered his age to be closer to Dawn's and the two went to research his history. He visited a reservation casino on his old tribe's land at a place called the 'ground of four fingers'.

Manitou was instrumental in helping the Martian Manhunter remove the curse of the Burning Martian from his sole. It was his magic that allowed himself, the Atom and Major Disaster to enter the spiritual plain where his soul was bound to the Burning Martian and convince him to fight the influence.

Manitou is an incredibly experienced and powerful magician. He wields a variety of different implements in conducting his magic. He possesses a dreamcatcher which keeps history and secrets that others forget. His medicine stick is unbreakable and is a manifestation of his spirit. His headdress sings with ancient knowledge. His hatchet will not pierce the skin of a good man. Manitou has shown an ability to cast spells that reanimate the dead, grow to enormous heights, transfer souls, travel to the soul plane, fire powerful mystic bolts, time travel, summon flocks of ravens and exhibit control over people's emotions.

There were MANY Justice Leagues. Task Force was one of them. The Leagues all acted under JLA

I participated in the thread. It ended because Professor Xavier cannot affect Martian Manhunter because he cannot affect shapeshifters or intangibles. Martian Manhunter was not proven to be a better telepath.

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Believe it or not, Martian Manhunter is a stronger and more adept telepath than Charles Xavier. MM is capable of mind-reading, astral projection, psi-bolts, and mindwiping just like Charles Xavier is. However, there are a few things in favor of our favorite Gumby.

When Charles Xavier first discovered his mutant powers, he endeavored to train himself in the use of his powers. MM on the other hand is quite different. The Martian society that MM grew up has thousands of years of culture and advancement. The Martians were all telepathic and developed new and different techniques as years passed on. MM absorbed all of these techniques instantly via telepathy. MM's brain virtually houses thousands of years of telepathic techniques, battle strategies, and training. Charles Xavier was self-taught. MM is capable of connecting with every sentient person on Earth. Charles is incapable of this action without the aid of Cerebra. MM once mindwiped 70 different people around the globe simultaneously, including Lex Luthor. Charles Xavier exhausted himself mindwiping ONE (i.e. Magneto). MM has literally everyone of his peoples', from the beginning of his race to the end, telepathic prowess, experience, and techniques. Charles Xavier only has his experiences. MM takes this one without a doubt.

And MM did not use any of his powers during the battle. He was only using his telepathy. Not shapechanging nor intangibility. AND if you read my arguments, you'd see that Moon Dragon is nowhere near MM's league in telepathy.

Draco, I read the post. You don't know of Moon Dragon's power. Xavier is earth's strongest telepath. Moon Dragon didn't live on earth, and she's much more powerful than Xavier. Moon Dragon was trained by the Eternals of Titan (Thanos's race) who also possess telepathy. She once defeated the cosmic entity Dragon of the Moon soley with her mind. After defeating it, her power exceeded every Titanian. Odin had to force her to wear a mental restraint. Later on she absorbed the Dragon of the Moon, possessing its power and her own. THEN she got the Shi'ar mind gem. Martian Manhunter doesn't stand a chance.

http://www.avengersforever.org/characters/characters.asp?cID=31
Here's a link. These are her abilities without the Dragon of the Moon. You'll find that she's much more powerful than Martian Manhunter

I read up on her. She's more powerful than MM. I concede.

Xavier's a telepathic flunkie then!

sort of...

But with Cerebro, he's better than Moondragon... maybe... maybe not.

Who knows? I don't recall them ever meeting each other. It would be nice if they battled each other.

Perhaps. But I seriously doubt Xavier could overcome the Shiar Mind Gem and The Dragon of The Moon conjunctively, even with Cerebro.

Agreed

The Dragon of the Moon could easily kill everyone on earth. That's why Odin restrained Moon Dragon's power after she absorbed it.

But Moon Dragon should not have this Dragon of the Moon power nor the Shiar Mind Gem for the battle. It would seriously be unfair to the JLAers. She should be at her normal power levels like everyone else: JLA and Avengers alike.

When she joined the Avengers she had already absorbed the Dragon of the Moon. She had done this before Thanos killed everyone on Titan. She got the Mind Gem later on, but she was an Avenger when she procured it from Adam Warlock.

Taking the Shiar Mind Gem would be like taking the ring enhancements of Oa from Green Lantern. But taking the Dragon of the Moon would be like taking away the ring from GL, (though on a much larger scale.)

If Moon Dragon can have the Shiar Mind Gem, (I'll allow the Dragon of the Moon) Than Green Lantern can have his power enhancement of the ring and be ION.