So let me get this straight: you want online sources not comic book resources. Well too bad! I've given you the sources. Now get off your lazy ass and look them up! Jesus Christ! I'm not your librarian!
Your entire argument rests on Moon Dragon. That's it.
Moon Dragon has a Mind Gem and all this other crap I've allowed you to add to her. Please!
You are a Marvel Fanboy. The first team you created got the assed kicked. So like the fanatic you are, you created a second team that stands a chance against the JLA. It's despicable. I cannot believe I am wasting my time with such ridiculousness.
The Avengers are out of their league. Moon Dragon cannot carry the Avengers to victory. (Not to mention the Flash knocks her out in the beginning anyway) The JLA wins period. I'm not going to repeat myself again and again when I've already given you examples and sources. Give it up the JLA wins. Wizard Magazine agrees. http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazines/wizard/WZ20030508-lms.cfm Stan Lee agrees. Everyone agrees. Take a dose of reality and see the light!
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
This is how I see it:Captain America leads the Avengers. Superman leads the Justice League. Flash, being the fastest, would be the first to attack. He dashes forward and punches Captain America in the jaw, sending him reeling. Invisible Woman traps him in a force field, and Flash is taken out by US Agent. Captain America regains his senses, and begins to spar with Hawkman.
Originally posted by Cosmic CubeDr. Fate is nowhere near Strange's power; he isn't a Sorcerer Supreme.
In response to Draco: Once Martian Manhunter catches a glimpse of Human Torch; no more telepathy (or anything else.)
Ay caramba!
Dr. Strange is the one who is not near Dr Fate's power. Dr. Fate is invulnerable, super-strong and all that. He is basically a Superman fascimile (though much weaker obviously than Supes). On top of this he has the Mask of Nabu (the golden mask he wears). This mask allows him to tap into the powers of Nabu, who is a Lord of Order that has been fighting the Elder Gods for millenia. Fate has access to magicks that are near cosmic in power and ability.
The only thing Strange could do in a fight against Fate is to call up the Vishanti (the alien cosmic beings of magic). Then he would come CLOSE to being able to match the powers of Nabu. But he'd still lose.
Now, I love Strange. And he is powerful (and when the two merged to form Dr. StrangeFate that was the most powerful entity for a while in the Multiverse). But Fate is just operating at a higher level than Strange.
As for Martian Manhunter vs the Torch. Well, you should know that MM overcame his fear of fire. The Torch would be blown out with Martain breath (MM's version of Superbreath).
Seriously speaking JLA would win this match rather quickly. IT has several members who would, BY THEMSELVES, be a very wicked adversary for the entire Avenger team. The whole JLA as one would be too much for the Avengers.
Such immaturity and blatant fanaticism
You are definitely a JLA fanboy. You are also a liar. Flash never fought Darkseid in the JLA: Rock of Ages comics because he would get his ass kicked, and Darkseid DOES NOT have any psychic abilities. My argument doesn't rest on Moondragon, f*ck her, Sersi, or Thor could do the same. Your entire argument rests on Flash. Whenever I disprove one of your arguments, you throw a hissy-fit. You don't give any valid reason, just "JLA wins. You're a fanboy." Call it what you like, but you know I'm right. You immature personal attacks are unnecessary, but they show the nature of your bias. Flash would not knock out Moondragon. Near lightspeed thought vs. precognition; no contest. If Flash is unaware of the forcefield, why would he try to vibrate through it, even if he could? Maybe because Draco wants him to, because the JLA must win.
Stan Lee doesn't say that the JLA wins anywhere on the site. F*ck outside opinions; I strictly deal with facts. I've refuted so many of your arguments, it's sickening that you still believe you've won, or that your opinions even matter. "Green Lanterns ring automatically blocks telepathy, He blocked the White Martians telepathic attack," "Darkseid has a TK shield; read JLA: Rock of Ages" Both are lies; I've seen both comics. Darkseid doesn't even have a force field, and Flash never vibrated through any force field.
Green Lantern made a "telepathy blocking" shield. His ring does not block telepathy. You're only arguements have been based on either Flash, Coldcast (who I have proven cannot absorb energy) or the redundant lie, "Oh he's immune to that." If you love the JLA so damn much, write a fanfiction story to satisfy yourself. Say "Wonder Woman beats all of the Avengers with her super, strength, speed, and fighting ability." But that's not what happens here. Avengers win. Flash wouldn't stand a chance, and the rest of the Avengers clean up after Moondragon or Sersi.
lol, I'm arguing with a pathologically lying f** who thinks Wonder Woman can beat Jesus. How have I stooped so low...
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Just making sure you knew, but Strange isn't an Avenger.
Fate's power comes from Nabu, the Egyptian sorceress chick who's in his helmet. Dr. Strange would remove Fate's helmet, rendering him powerless. Strength and Invulnerability are neglegable in this fight, magical potency is key. Strange is Sorcerer Supreme: the most powerful sorcerer in the universe. Any magic Fate possesses Strange could dispell. Strang can perform any spell in existance. Though his powers are broad, Fate cannot. It would take little effort for Strange to remove the helmet.
If Starnge isnt avenger, why are we arguing here about him?
Besides, Fate is at least equal to Stranger, if not better.
Strange is only Sorcerer Supreme in his own universe.
Fates feats:
*Creation of large-scale full-spectrum illusions sufficient to fool even those familiar with the subject in question.
*Clairvoyance (in it's truest meaning - long-distance viewing across time, space and dimensions)
*Breaking the mental control of Obsidian's shadow-force.
Physical:
*Growing to giant size (roughly 150 ft tall) with commensurate strength and toughness.
Protection:
*Creating a mystic shield around himself capable of protecting himself from a sustained attack by Superman-level strength.
*Creating a bubble-shaped shield to protect himself and Courtney from the assault of the Obsidian-controlled JSA members.
Manipulation:
*Sending a bolt Black Adam's lightning several centuries through the timestream from the past to the present, forcing him to revert to mortal form.
*Creating bolts of magic energy of extreme potence.
*Transforming chains into flowers to release himself and companions.
*Becoming intangible
Transportation:
*Flight at several hundred miles per hour and with great agility
*Teleporting the entire JSA across space and between dimensions without visible effort.
Originally posted by Draco69
You are a Marvel Fanboy. The first team you created got the assed kicked. So like the fanatic you are, you created a second team that stands a chance against the JLA. It's despicable. I cannot believe I am wasting my time with such ridiculousness.
The first team got their asses kicked? Actually Binary killed the entire JLA on the first team. You started b*tching, as always, about Binary being an Avenger, so I changed teams. Not because they wouldn't wipe the floor with the JLA, but because of your whining. Then you changed to some "Ultra JLA" team, like a fanboy. They too would get their asses kicked. Your fanaticism for the JLA clouds your judgement. Your desire for them to win has made you a liar, and a terrible debater. You didn't address any of your arguments that I refuted on the previous page, you skipped the topic, and just began to drone: "JLA wins, JLA wins." You are the ultimate fanboy.
In case no one's looked at it yet, I suggest y'all do: