Originally posted by Scoobless
it's about a sudden loss of power...... they keep their current bodies but without any super human abilities, it's a cage match so there are no weapons so no web shooters
Okay, thanks.
Now that I have that scenario completely cleared up, I feel pretty confident going with Petey.
Originally posted by radioboy121
Peter's and Clark's past life should not come to play here. Peter is physical fit currently and he is far more familiar with mortality (being human). Clark when he was effected by red kryptonite (reduced him to human but not cause injury like other) who he thought was brought on by Lex Luther, was tossed around like a rag doll by Lex's bodyguards. He will probably remind me more of an Arnold Swartzeneggar's character in Last Action Hero plunging his fist in the window and realizing it actually hurts.
That to me was the most amazing post in this thread.
That someone actually watched "Last Action Hero".
Parker has had FORMAL, INTENSIVE martial arts training, in various fields, from BOTH Danny Rand (A.K.A. "Iron Fist"😉, AND "Shang-Chi." Parker has traveled the world, taught, trained, and tempered himself in many martial arts (nowhere near Bruce Wayne's amount, but still, FAR more than any of US can say).
Due to his life being bullied and pranked as a young teenager to acquiring amazing superhuman capabilities and combining them with his scientifically adept and creative mind, Parker has through time become an excellent hand-to-hand combatant utilizing a fighting style that directly complements his superhuman abilities. His methods are volatile, enabling him to rival practically all types of combatants. As a means to compensate for the temporary loss of his spider-sense, Parker also received formal combat training from Shang-Chi through the recommendation of the new Madame Web (Julia Carpenter). Together, they created a new martial art style, the 'Way of the Spider', and Peter's skill with it has substantially increased following the return and amplification of his Spider-Sense.
...Parker, besides that fact, is in fact a FAR better fighter, than Kent. He LOST his powers MULTIPLE time, IN COMICS, and he...well...he still kicked ass. Honestly, the "Spider-Bite," isn't what made "Spider-Man," into "Spider-Man." It was Uncle Ben's death. If he didn't get bitten by that spider, then he would done EXACTLY what Bruce Wayne did. ...Minus the cool gadgets (no money), or he would've INVENTED a way to be "Spider-Man," without the bite (low-tech power-suit...hell, Parker redid Stark's suit BETTER than Stark...Stark even said, true to comics continuity, that Peter was matched with him in intellect). Pete is a CERTIFIED genius, and as such, even without ANY of the above skills/training that I have mentioned, brains still beats brawn.
Clark has...his cape and his shield. ...And Bruce's phone number, but honestly I think that Batman is tired of saving Supes.
Pete takes this, helps Supes up, and ask why he attacked him, clarifies things, buys Clark an ice cream, and ask him if its nice to be a superhero that is actually loved by the people that he saves/protects on a daily basis, rather than hated for taking EVERYTHING that his citizens throw at him.
...And then Pete drops Supes off on Bruce's front steps. Bruce sighs at seeing Supes beat up by the local kids again, and he takes him inside, where Alfred makes him milk and cookies.
Peter and Bruce both go back to being badasses. Clark wonders if he could take Alfred...He decides not to risk it.
It's not current Superman, though; it's pre-reboot Superman. He's incredibly well trained, and I'd be curious if he was more used to operating without his powers than Peter is/was.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Parkers kung fu would be weakened but he still has it...
And tall and lanky people rule the ufc, granted they have weight classes
Clark is much taller than Spidey.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True dat! Almost zero, I believe, but it should be evened out by Spidey not having his stats which he trained with.So it'll boil down to a big guy (I still think he's still jacked, right?) vs Parker.
Cap Atom said Supes was a pretty good brawler, though, iirc. Forget which issue it was though (DCnU)
Pete trained with his powers switched off by that SHIELD collar. So it boils down to a big guy vs a smaller guy who knows kung-fu well enough to hang in a sparring with Shang Chi. Pressure point attacks and killing strokes included. DCnU Supes gets wrecked. I know DCU Supes knows various MA including alien ones, but I dont know if he has any feats with them in powerless state. Pete's been shown holding his own against supervillains without his powers. Thats before he recieved the said training from Shang.
Originally posted by JuntaiI know but we're still talking about comics here we should judge the outcome here by their performed feats without superpowers. What if Parker actually achieved Iron Fist level feats without powers? Would size still matter?
That's different. They have different ranges of superpowers. Between humans size makes a difference more often than not. There's a reason that there's weight categories in combat sports.
Just for the record I'm not saying Parker wins here, maybe Supes takes this, could be possible, I'm not familiar with his powerless feats. I just think judging the outcome by size difference is kinda dumb when we have actual feats to go by. If both never had had any showings without powers I could live with this way of argumentation.