Does God have a right to judge us?

If the world was without evil, how do you explain the existence of the serpent? The serpent used deceit (evil) to tempt (evil) Eve into disobeying (evil) God.

Furthermore, if we presume that no evil existed in the world, how was Eve to know the difference between right and wrong?

Well, the world was without evil of man. The spirit of man was good and not corrupted. The land, the animals and basically everything was good.
There was one fallen cherub in lucifer who did deceive them but Lucifer doing wrong would not get them punished. They would have still been able to live in paradise had they not disobey.

They didnt need to know what evil was to know the difference between right and wrong. They were already told what it was.

There are many things that have a right or wrong and one needn't know evil to decipher that.

clickclick, can't you see beyond good and evil? tilt your head to greatness! F*ck good and evil - who cares...it's all subjective.

Originally posted by clickclick
Well, the world was without evil of man. The spirit of man was good and not corrupted. The land, the animals and basically everything was good.

There was one fallen cherub in lucifer who did deceive them but Lucifer doing wrong would not get them punished. They would have still been able to live in paradise had they not disobey.

They didnt need to know what evil was to know the difference between right and wrong. They were already told what it was.

There are many things that have a right or wrong and one needn't know evil to decipher that.

Way to play every side of the fence.

For one to know the difference between right and wrong, he must have a concept of both. Adam and Eve lived in a world where only good and rightness existed. They had no knowledge of evil and wrongness, let alone the difference between the two. "Because God told them not to disobey" is not a satisfactory answer. Adam and Eve could not know that disobeying God was wrong without understanding the difference between right and wrong.

Way to play every side of the fence.

For one to know the difference between right and wrong, he must have a concept of both. Adam and Eve lived in a world where only good and rightness existed. They had no knowledge of evil and wrongness, let alone the difference between the two. "Because God told them not to disobey" is not a satisfactory answer. Adam and Eve could not know that disobeying God was wrong without understanding the difference between right and wrong.

They were told the difference between right and wrong, therefore they most certainly would know the difference. Were they not given such information, you could have a point. There is a difference between goodness as in the opposite of evil and rightness as in the opposite of wrong. They are not one and the same, though the latter is inclusive of the former while the former does not necessitate the latter.

They knew that it was wrong by him telling them so. They did not know evil, they did however know wrong. The thing about that is this. Evil is the result of disobeying God, it is through that that evil exists. One needn't know evil to know wrong, it is the very action of disobeying goodness that makes for evil.

Originally posted by clickclick
They were told the difference between right and wrong, therefore they most certainly would know the difference. Were they not given such information, you could have a point. There is a difference between goodness as in the opposite of evil and rightness as in the opposite of wrong. They are not one and the same, though the latter is inclusive of the former while the former does not necessitate the latter.

They knew that it was wrong by him telling them so. They did not know evil, they did however know wrong. The thing about that is this. Evil is the result of disobeying God, it is through that that evil exists. One needn't know evil to know wrong, it is the very action of disobeying goodness that makes for evil.

No, Adam and Eve were told not to disobey God. They were not told not to disobey God because it would be wrong. Even if we presume that they were told this, they would only know that disobeying God is wrong but they still would not know what wrong is.

No, Adam and Eve were told not to disobey God. They were not told not to disobey God because it would be wrong. Even if we presume that they were told this, they would only know that disobeying God is wrong but they still would not know what wrong is.

They were told that they were not allowed to eat from that tree (dont know that it was a literal tree however), so obviously eating from it was disobedience. Saying dont disobey me and you are not allowed to do this are essentially the same thing.

Yes they would know that disobeying God was wrong but they wouldnt know it was evil.

It amounts to this. They had their chance, they messed up and that was that.

Originally posted by clickclick
They were told that they were not allowed to eat from that tree (dont know that it was a literal tree however), so obviously eating from it was disobedience. Saying dont disobey me and you are not allowed to do this are essentially the same thing.

Yes they would know that disobeying God was wrong but they wouldnt know it was evil.

It amounts to this. They had their chance, they messed up and that was that.

As I stated previously, Adam and Eve would know that disobedience was wrong but they would not know what wrong is. That being the case, they weren't provided with much of a chance at all.

Wrong is naturally the opposite of right. In knowing what was right and what was not, they HAD to know what wrong was even had they not previously experienced it.

Anyway, we will just agree to disagree considering we are making no new ground.

you talk about adam and eve as it was facts

I believe god created the earth, but evolution took over from there. Just my opinion.

more like what the deist believe then

No god, has the right to judge me, only i can do that, and i like what i see!

Of course He has the right to judge us! Not only did He MAKE us, for his companionship, by the way! He laid down the rules to live by, which had we followed them and kept following, we would not have the mental and health diseases we have todat! He even told us what to eat so we would stay healthy! But of course thedevel and humam beings thunk they are so much smarter than the Maker! By the way, all you people who believe in Evolution? Did you ever bother to read the fact that Darwin himself said he wrote that book on a lark, it was just the thoughts af a young boy wondering about his universe. He was completely taken aback when the scientific world latched onto it as the truth. He said all you have to do is look around and you see there is a God!

have you read Darwin?

Your wife has the right to judge you....That's her job...

Make the world a better place by helping the lower species evolve into subservient masseuses.

Make the world a better place by helping the lower species evolve into subservient masseuses.

Originally posted by finti
yeah but whenever I give women a monkey wrench I just see a lot of void in their eyes

It's because she realizes you haven't learned what to do with it yet. It's not a banana to share. 😆

It's because she realizes you haven't learned what to do with it yet. It's not a banana to share.

How true...I do look for color coordinated tools to axsesserate with.

oooo bad spelling.

yeah pink wrenches, womens lib has come a looooooong way