Wolverine vs. Predator

you mean origins? everyones read origins

my point was that the writers who make predator obviously dont talk about the earth as the MU earth, mostly because it isnt a marvel owned title and there are things called copyright laws

i have read small pieces of predator comics (its a one-dimensional character, you read one you have a basic understanding of it)

and again, you keep giving predator all these weapons just to stand up against wolverine, its obvious you know predator would lose as he has lost to a normal human in the first movie (the movie came first so therefor make way for the comic and be a part in its history)

again, adamantium is the strongest substance on MU earth, which predator comics cant touch as its a copyrighted thing, and by the way superior intelligence and technology (which look stone age for the MU) doesnt automatically give way to stronger metal.....that would be natures doing, no matter what planet their from

youre thinking of earth as in real life earth, the technology in MU earth is far beyond any toy i've seen in predator comics (prosh would be a perfect example, and thats off the top of my head)

where preds technology is superior to real life technology, its freakin stone age to the marvel (and DC) universe

No, its not. Vibranium steel is more powerful then adamantium, because its a compound. The predator 2 movie, and a few comics, state that the preadtor's weaponry is made of something liek 96% unidentifiable material. How do you know they don't have something stronger? We don't.

You obviously do know NOTHING about predator, because if you read the novels you will understand that they are VERY deep characters. Dachande, for example. Predators are proven to be STRONGER, more experienced, and better armed.

Even so, unless this is a highly skilled-master predator, Wolverine has good odds of winning. If we are pitting him up against someone like Broken Tusk, then you can kiss his hairy canuck ass goodbye.

The predators ALWAYS carry a large amount of weaponry on hunts, simply to prevent themselves from having to face surprises unprepared. I've read quite a bit of the X-books, Wolvie's series, and 90% of the predator related material... a good predator will win this, hands down. A bad predator, well, a bad predator is gonna look a lot like gumby after getting into a fight with a cheese grater.

You still have yet to misprove anything I have posted about his weaponry, simply because you CANT. Go back, and think it over, maybe youll come up with something.

i have read a volume (the latest one), and imo they're about as one-dimensional as dragonball z characters, or maybe about 80% of all manga's out there

vibranium isnt steel, its never been described as steel, its believed to be of extraterrestrial origin that has two forms, wakandan vibranium and antarctic vibranium

wolverine doesnt carry weapon except what he already has on him, so i dont know how proving that predator has weaponry means he wins, since wolverine has fought someone named Post who is literally an arsenal of weaponry

Go read old school cap-A. His shield is Vibranium steel compound.

its vibranium mixed with an adamantium steel made by dr. myron maclain

i think you should go read old school captain america

or at least this, http://www.marveldirectory.com/misc/vibranium.htm

Nonetheless, it proves my point. An unatural substance is harder then adamantium, therefore the predator's weaponry can very well be mcuh hard then adamantium.

it is a natural substance, its been found in natrual areas of the world, although it is believed to be extraterrestrial it would still deal with nature as it would be from space or another planet

it still doesnt explain predators metal, and as for now i would think neither cancel eachother out since its never been stated

i guess you'd have to wait for some predator/wolverine crossover or something

We are comparing comic characters here man, not comic industries. If you want to pit MU technology against technology in the darkhorse realm, you are out of your league buddy.(excluding all cosmic bullshit) As for the Pred's technology, The weaponry they use is designed for hunting. If you want to look at how sophisticated they can be with more mature weaponry, pick up Predator Shadow of a hunter. It shows a predator war ship that totally destroys a planet over run by alien's. I am not going to get into a pissing amtch about there potential in science though. I am merely comparing wolverine and the predator in a Vs match. this includes everything they have to offer. This is why i always include the pred's weaponry. taking away their weapons is like taking away Wolverines adamantium, and giving him his bone claws. Of course the Pred's battle without weapons, they do it quite often. They are just as deadly and threatning in close combat, as they are when hunting.

Wolverine would have a substantialy better chance in closed quarters than he would when fighting a Pred with all of there weapons at hand. I think you just keep saying that i bring up their weaponry to much, because you know that Wolverine is no match against them, which he really isnt. When Punisher fights enemies, you dont bi.tch that he would lose without his guns. Of course not, because that is apart of his character. the predators weapons are apart of their character, seeing as they are hunters. hunters don't go hunting without a tool of their trade do they? Even still, The predator have proven they are just as fierce without them.

I am not discounting Wolverine entirely, just to the point of rationality. It does also depend on what kind of Predator we are talking about. The Pred's are not one dimensional. In many comics they appear that way, because they are in that specific comic for one reason and one reason alone...to hunt, and give a match. There are comics out there, like the orginal AvP comics, Shadow of a hunter, Hell come a walkin, Cold war,and race war which delve into the predators moral's and individual personality

the predators weaponry (ranged weaponry) arent a part of their character, its obvious that they arent since i've seen them fight billions of times without them, even the movies alone show you that

please, they love the thrill of the hunt and fight for honor, but yet they completely out-match their enemies with weapons.....real deep characters indeed

and of course wolvie is gonna fight a pred close-quarters, theres nothing he can do from far away, and its obvious wolvie would get him in close-quarters

being rational isnt considering predator with a whole arsenal of weaponry (again, wolvie fought against post who could basically spawn even un-made weapons from his body) and then saying "wolverine is slow, he wont have enough time" or anything along those lines, thats complete irrationality which favor predator and make wolvie (the one you know oh so much of) seem like a character who wasnt dubbed "Weapon X" or fought in WWII, or was a samurai, or fought against a sea of the best trained ninja's in the world(on so many different occasions), or killed a man who can MANIPULATE his adamantium, or was fighting the hulk in his first appearance

everyone says this and that about predator, but logan has dealt with faster, stronger, better equipped, and smarter (especially in massive numbers) enemies before

I never said Wolverine is slow. I never even implied that, just that the predator is faster. I would also say that the Predator 's agility is below par with wolverine. The predators weapons are apart of their character, they use them untill exhausted "these the tools of thePredator, which have character all on their own" . They travel the universe fighting beings, this would give them unknown endless knowledge of fighting and strategy. They take on one comic books feircest and most efficant killing machines ever known...the alien. though an alien usually outmatches a Predator, a master Predator can take on a brood of aliens.

Of course wolverine is going to try and fight up close and personall, but the Pred's weapons are going to make that a feat unto it's own. Even then wolverine is not gaurenteed the victor, he has the advantage being so agile, but i would say that the Pred has an advantage of being so tactile.

I'm a big fan of both (I say they just team up and take down a King Alien {as if one existed, but I'd settle for a queen} ) and honestly I could see this battle going either way. It's rare, really rare for someone to sneak up on Wolverine but it's been done so I'm sure the Predator could do it, I just don't think that the predator would know about Logans enhanced senses, (sure it can see that he has claws, and it can see that he can heal from any wound, but its not like it can see his senses,,,I mean where the hell's the predator gonna get that information? What's he gonna do read the back of a Wolverine trading card? unlikely.) I'm betting the stalker thinks he's got this one in the bag and then gets hella suprised by wolverine who knows he's being followed. Okay the weapons thing Wolverine has bean blasted with just about every kind of energy wave or lazer in the MU and not once (even when wolvies been fried into nothing) has his skeleton ever been blasted into crispies. I honestly find it hard to believe that a cannon blast from a pred is gonna go through logan's skull (unless it goes through his eye) it would probably ricochet off his head. Sure it's gonna inflict damage but wolvie can dodge it. The net's a pretty nasty weapon and if predator get's a direct hit with it, than Wolverine's gonna be toast, maybe, if an alien can break free from that thing, I'm confident that a pissed off wolverine could too. As far as wolverine's head getting ripped off his shoulders, like it was said earlier, Wolverine's been clipped by jets, hit by hulk, and knocked clear into orbit, his head's still attached, now that I think about it, His spinal cord could all be connected by adamantium (sp?) somehow, when wolverine has been fried off his skeleton the thing still held it's shape. I don't think he's getting his head knocked off his shoulders. claws vs. claws I don't know what's stronger, nobody does, I don't much care, Predator's claws aren't gonna just slice through adamantium thats ridiculous. Hand to hand that's were the real show is Wolvie would probably show off his martial arts skill, predator doing the same, and wolverine getting the worste of it, he goes into berserker rage,,end of predator. Alot of advantages are going to predator (too many) but i still don't think the predator has this fight by weapons alone. Could a predator take out 100+ armed pirates in a hand to hand fight. (I know one kinda did in race war but they didn't have guns, besides he died) I doubt it, Wolverine did it. Also the brood are basically MU's answer to the alien race and wolverine hacked and slashed his way through them like no other,,,,,,to whoever said that Pred's don't fight aliens hand to hand ...that's bull I have quite a few where preds fight em hand to hand just for kicks. .....wolverine's definitley got a stronger character and would be better motivated to kill the predator but if it's one of the predator's elite hunters, Wolverine might be in a bit of trouble,,,,imagine how pissed the pred's gonna be when he finds out he can't seperate wolvies skull like a proper tropthy.
What about this fight though...predator vs. Punisher (better matchup IMO)

you make good points on both sides

imo i still think wolverine would win, but you've shown me that pred would be a really great enemy for wolvie, i hope a good team make a crossover with both of them

You guys forget that marvel doesnt dare harm wolverine simply because if he dies, so do 50% of their profits. Hell, the comic industry would nearly implode without wolverine. He, spider-man, batman and superman make up the four pillars of money.

Ya know come to think of it didn't a blind samurai waste a predator in sands of time? ....and Wolverine's basically as good as any samurai...ever. (xept ogun maybe) so I guess it stands to say he'd waste a predator too. Those predator elite though, I still have my doubts.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
You guys forget that marvel doesnt dare harm wolverine simply because if he dies, so do 50% of their profits. Hell, the comic industry would nearly implode without wolverine. He, spider-man, batman and superman make up the four pillars of money.

theres no need to bring up business franchises in this debate

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm a big fan of both (I say they just team up and take down a King Alien {as if one existed, but I'd settle for a queen} ) and honestly I could see this battle going either way. It's rare, really rare for someone to sneak up on Wolverine but it's been done so I'm sure the Predator could do it, I just don't think that the predator would know about Logans enhanced senses, (sure it can see that he has claws, and it can see that he can heal from any wound, but its not like it can see his senses,,,I mean where the hell's the predator gonna get that information? What's he gonna do read the back of a Wolverine trading card? unlikely.) I'm betting the stalker thinks he's got this one in the bag and then gets hella suprised by wolverine who knows he's being followed. Okay the weapons thing Wolverine has bean blasted with just about every kind of energy wave or lazer in the MU and not once (even when wolvies been fried into nothing) has his skeleton ever been blasted into crispies. I honestly find it hard to believe that a cannon blast from a pred is gonna go through logan's skull (unless it goes through his eye) it would probably ricochet off his head. Sure it's gonna inflict damage but wolvie can dodge it. The net's a pretty nasty weapon and if predator get's a direct hit with it, than Wolverine's gonna be toast, maybe, if an alien can break free from that thing, I'm confident that a pissed off wolverine could too. As far as wolverine's head getting ripped off his shoulders, like it was said earlier, Wolverine's been clipped by jets, hit by hulk, and knocked clear into orbit, his head's still attached, now that I think about it, His spinal cord could all be connected by adamantium (sp?) somehow, when wolverine has been fried off his skeleton the thing still held it's shape. I don't think he's getting his head knocked off his shoulders. claws vs. claws I don't know what's stronger, nobody does, I don't much care, Predator's claws aren't gonna just slice through adamantium thats ridiculous. Hand to hand that's were the real show is Wolvie would probably show off his martial arts skill, predator doing the same, and wolverine getting the worste of it, he goes into berserker rage,,end of predator. Alot of advantages are going to predator (too many) but i still don't think the predator has this fight by weapons alone. Could a predator take out 100+ armed pirates in a hand to hand fight. (I know one kinda did in race war but they didn't have guns, besides he died) I doubt it, Wolverine did it. Also the brood are basically MU's answer to the alien race and wolverine hacked and slashed his way through them like no other,,,,,,to whoever said that Pred's don't fight aliens hand to hand ...that's bull I have quite a few where preds fight em hand to hand just for kicks. .....wolverine's definitley got a stronger character and would be better motivated to kill the predator but if it's one of the predator's elite hunters, Wolverine might be in a bit of trouble,,,,imagine how pissed the pred's gonna be when he finds out he can't seperate wolvies skull like a proper tropthy.
What about this fight though...predator vs. Punisher (better matchup IMO)

good analysis, but a couple of problems. FIrst of all, wolverine's head can be removed, as only his skeleton is adamantium. The area between the vertebrae of the neck and backbone are cartiledge. So, i'm still going with my speargun theory. One shot from one of those to the head should rip his skull clean off his shoulders, ending the match.

also, the way the alien got out of the net was simply because the net dug into the alien's flesh, and the acid melted the wire away. If wolverine was stuck in one of those things, he'd just be stuck. sure, he could maybe cut a thread or two with his claws while pinned (if that's possible, the wire might be made of an equivilant of adamantium, for all we know, as seen in the movie, nothing could cut it) but his movement would be too limited to be able to free himself.

The pred's heat-seeking disc might prove troublesome as well, for as far as we know, once again, it can cut through ANYTHING. And even if it can't cut through wolvie's skeleton, having that thing slice up everything ELSE in his gut is sure to end the match.

In Alien vs. Predator: Deadliest of Species, the Preds claws shattered of the hinds of and Alien that was later pierced by gunfire(it might have been a laser but I forget). For anyone to slow to know what this means pay attention (there is a lot of you); the metal that Preds claws are made out of doesn't come close to Adamantium. The Hulk can brake it, Thor can't brake it, the Gladiator can't brake it... yet some how you think the Preds can could through?

The fact that Preds have mastered space travel has nothing to do with the strength of their weapons... or the intelligence of the Predators them self. It would be like me saying, "Wolverine is smarter because, Dr. Doom and Richards have made time machines, and things of that sort." It doesn't really makes sense does it? Richards and Doom can cough up things more advanced then any thing the Preds have to offer.

The best strength feat for a Predator is carrying the Bat Symbol while scaling a building. Well how heavy is the Bat Symbol? It is essentially a giant flash light. The rim and the back are the only metal parts, most of the space is filled up by a light bulb. Wolverine on the other hand has, with one arm, flung a full dumpster from one end of an alley to the other. That is a much more impressive strength feat and their are many more like it.

The Preds weapons can't do anything to Wolverine. If he has taken full on shots to the face from the Hulk with out his head going flying then what can the Predators hope to accomplish? Shoulder canon? Please! Ever heard of Cyclops? Well he can punch hole in mountains with his optic blasts and Wolverine has taken blast from Cyclops on more then one occasion.

What can a Predator do to Wolverine to put him down? Out classed physically in every way and lacking the weapons need to do the job... not really left with a hole lot of options. Anyone who thinks the Predator should win, just post were you live and I'll be happy to help you find a comic should near your location.

If you still think the Predator should win then read Uncanny X-Men 213, and then remember that both Wolverine and Sabretooth have both gotten improved healing factors and Sabretooth was enhanced by the Weapon X program since then.

well, i suggest reading the newer marvel knights wolverine comics, then. Wolverine is downed by elektra, and this is wolverine with abilities enhanced beyond those of his norm. think about this.... the pred doesn't have to cut through the adamantium, there are plenty of ways around it. Like plasma, that would simply burn everything around the bone. and the speargun would still rip wolvie's head clean off his shoulders with ease.

Wolverine was being kept alive by shield machines minutes before he fought Elektra. So far the only enhancements he has are the ability to hack into machines and mild teleportation, which is all done by the Hydra's computer system.

How will the spear gun rip his head off? If a full on punch from the Hulk (the guy can brace a mountain on his back) doesn't remove his head what will a spear gun do? That is of course if you ignore the fact that either the ligaments connecting Wolverine's bones together are also bonded with adamantium or he has something else keeping his skeletal system in one piece even after all the flesh has been removed.

he has nothing but nerves and cartledge between his virtebrae, otherwise he wouldn't be able to move his neck (or back for that matter) at all.