The arguments from both sides are lacking to say the least
Side A) Adamantium will cut 'em
Side B) Plasma blast will melt 'em
Wolverine has been hit by a stealth fighter and was barely stunded. If that didn't rip him apart then a spear gun wont simple because "it goes at the speed of sound." And do we even need to talk about all the different energy blasts Wolverine has been hit with. At the end of the day most Preds simply dont have what it takes to bring down the Logan
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The arguments from both sides are lacking to say the leastSide A) Adamantium will cut 'em
Side B) Plasma blast will melt 'emWolverine has been hit by a stealth fighter and was barely stunded. If that didn't rip him apart then a spear gun wont simple because "it goes at the speed of sound." And do we even need to talk about all the different energy blasts Wolverine has been hit with. At the end of the day most Preds simply dont have what it takes to bring down the Logan
1) Wolverine has been hit by deadpool and nearly knocked unconcious.
2) Speargun travels far beyond the speed of sound. Whoever said it travels only at the speed of sound is drunk. The speargun fires with such velocity that it goes farther then predator masks can zoom before being affected by gravity or wind resistance. Not only that, but even at maximum zoom it will still hit its target the instant the trigger is pulled. Considering the distance preds can see, this sucker fires faster than Wolvie can react.
3) Tell us about the energy blasts Wolverine has been hit with, especially the ones that his flesh was melted away with while he was pinned to a wall, or the ground. Hmmm? How about that energy blast that took off his hand in AoA? Yea, that energy blast. Predators can break out their big guns and simply vaporize his flesh. Shoulder cannon is like a rubber band gun compared to their heavy weapons.
1) Wolverine has never been "nearly knocked unconcious" by Slade except when for the time they fought and Wolverine's healing factor is shot out. Wolverine has either won all other fights or they have ended in a tie (not sure what the point of this is since Slade would beat a Pred also)
2) How is that different then a sniper bullet? Its all relative if say Quick Silver fired the spear gun he'd have to wait for it to hit his target where as it would appear instantaneous to someone with relatively human reaction times (ie Predators). All modern projectiles break the sound barrier its hardly a big deal. A stealth fighter moves faster then the speed of sound also.
3)Bring up AoA isn't very helpful as it is a separate continuity. Might as well start sighting fan fictions for the relevance it brings to the table. Also Cyc's blasts are kenetic energy there is no reason for Wolverines hand to have been blasted off... it would be like the Hulk punching him in the hand. Wolverine has waded through Havoks blasts. He also waded through the blasts of some guy who stole Havoks powers and was trying to kill Wolverine bosting about how he was a nuclear reactor and such. Other then that I'm not going to go digging up examples.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
1) Wolverine has never been "nearly knocked unconcious" by Slade except when for the time they fought and Wolverine's healing factor is shot out. Wolverine has either won all other fights or they have ended in a tie (not sure what the point of this is since Slade would beat a Pred also)2) How is that different then a sniper bullet? Its all relative if say Quick Silver fired the spear gun he'd have to wait for it to hit his target where as it would appear instantaneous to someone with relatively human reaction times (ie Predators). All modern projectiles break the sound barrier its hardly a big deal. A stealth fighter moves faster then the speed of sound also.
3)Bring up AoA isn't very helpful as it is a separate continuity. Might as well start sighting fan fictions for the relevance it brings to the table. Also Cyc's blasts are kenetic energy there is no reason for Wolverines hand to have been blasted off... it would be like the Hulk punching him in the hand. Wolverine has waded through Havoks blasts. He also waded through the blasts of some guy who stole Havoks powers and was trying to kill Wolverine bosting about how he was a nuclear reactor and such. Other then that I'm not going to go digging up examples.
Who is this SLADE you are mentioning? You mean, WADE ?
What fight did Wolverine win? Except the one where Deadpool wanted him to kick his ass?
2) It's different in the fact that a sniper bullet has travel time, is affected by air currents, and has a maximum precision range of around 300 yards. After that you are still generally accurate, but you ain't shootin' a bullseye. Speargun fires perfectly accurately regardless of all these things, it's speed is such that it can REMOVE the limbs of Xenomorphs. Ya know, the things that can shrug off anything short of uranium depleted shells, the things that tear through the hulls of space-faring ships, the things that literally tear cyborgs in half. Ya, those things. Wolvie's adamantium skull will be hit with such force that it'll simply be torn from his neck. If it isn't, its gonna pull the spine out with it, or just jerk the body along for the ride. It's not like it's only gonna be one shot either, if he doesn't lose his head, you can expect the pred to start pumpin' him full of those things. These ain't bullets, they're gonna go through him and if they hit bones along the way, it's gonna knock him around or take the bones with it. Wolverine can go with bullets in him, how about arrow sized pred spears jutting from his ribcage?
3) Seperate continuity doesn't mean shit if the physics are the same. Bishops powers, nates powers, holocausts powers all seemed to work just the same in AoA as in 616. Plasma will burn away all the flesh on Logan's body, and if the pred happens to be a warrior and not a hunter, you can expect bigger, hotter, more badass plasma weaponry to follow.
What's wolvie gonna do when he gets caught in the net, with his arms pinned against his chest? He can pop the claws and cut through a few of the strands, but his hands will still be locked in place. Not to mention if his hands are at an angle, he can't extend his claws. (You know this, but for those who don't, his claws are in his forearms, if his hands are tilted then the claws aint comin' out where they normally come out) While he's in a net he's at the pred's mercy. Which there will be none of.
As for combat experience, the predator in Predator 2 was somewhere in the range of 300 years old, Sounds like he's gonna have more experience then logan, considering Preds LIVE TO FIGHT.
Now, Wolvie ain't goin' down without a fight, but how's he supposed to even HIT the pred? I can guarantee you that Dachande would spank Wolvie like a little girl. He fought Xenos with his claws, Xenos are MUCH stronger, MUCH more damage resistant, MUCH faster, and MUCH more brutal than logan. Not to mention the acid blood.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin3)Bring up AoA isn't very helpful as it is a separate continuity. Might as well start sighting fan fictions for the relevance it brings to the table. Also Cyc's blasts are kenetic energy there is no reason for Wolverines hand to have been blasted off... it would be like the Hulk punching him in the hand. Wolverine has waded through Havoks blasts. He also waded through the blasts of some guy who stole Havoks powers and was trying to kill Wolverine bosting about how he was a nuclear reactor and such. Other then that I'm not going to go digging up examples.
you do realize that all energy we see is kinetic, right? Heat... electricity... radiation... optic blasts.... its all the same in terms of kinetic or passive.
Originally posted by Kontraz
you do realize that all energy we see is kinetic, right? Heat... electricity... radiation... optic blasts.... its all the same in terms of kinetic or passive.
I just ment their is no heat to it, its like a punch in beam form.
Nataku I'm curious as to how and why you think Machiko can keep up with Predators and Aliens? She even holds her own against Preds in close quarter unarmed combat and has even killed a few. She is nothing special, she has no superhuman stats, she isn't even peak human, she is just an exceptionally skilled human and that it seems is enough.
Sure Preds are stronger then the Average human but they aren't that in the 10 ton range, the aren't even in the 5 ton range. They have been taken down Civil War soldiers, standard soldiers, cyborgs... Judge Dredd, you name it. I've said before and I'll say it again Broken Tusk is the only Pred that even has a shot at Wolverine and even he would need to break the ritual laws of combat to stand a chance.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I just ment their is no heat to it, its like a punch in beam form.Nataku I'm curious as to how and why you think Machiko can keep up with Predators and Aliens? She even holds her own against Preds in close quarter unarmed combat and has even killed a few. She is nothing special, she has no superhuman stats, she isn't even peak human, she is just an exceptionally skilled human and that it seems is enough.
Sure Preds are stronger then the Average human but they aren't that in the 10 ton range, the aren't even in the 5 ton range. They have been taken down Civil War soldiers, standard soldiers, cyborgs... Judge Dredd, you name it. I've said before and I'll say it again Broken Tusk is the only Pred that even has a shot at Wolverine and even he would need to break the ritual laws of combat to stand a chance.
Machiko never took on aliens with her spear. Machiko never beat an intelligent pred in hand to hand combat fairly. She beat shorty, but he was an idiot.
Preds have also gone as far as kickin' the crap outta superman.
Superman who was also hurt by a stinger missile... 😕 wa?
Thats the problem with cross overs they are one huge steaming pile of garbage that make no sense at all and have little concern for characters acting... well in character. Unfortunately with the limited number of Pred comics and cross over making up a huge portion of them its hard not to bring them up.
Wolverine has been hit by a stealth fighter and was barely stunded. If that didn't rip him apart then a spear gun wont simple because "it goes at the speed of sound." And do we even need to talk about all the different energy blasts Wolverine has been hit with. At the end of the day most Preds simply dont have what it takes to bring down the Logan
Originally posted by srank
Wolverine has been hit by a stealth fighter and was barely stunded. If that didn't rip him apart then a spear gun wont simple because "it goes at the speed of sound." And do we even need to talk about all the different energy blasts Wolverine has been hit with. At the end of the day most Preds simply dont have what it takes to bring down the Logan
Smart words from a smart man.
D#mn, forgot to take the last post down.