FF4 VS these 4 xmen i chose

K, remembered all of that. Still not convinced he could take the Human Torch though. BTW, does Bobby still have all of his secondary mutation powers since House of M? I seem to remember that he had thought he lost his powers at first, but then he had them. Don't know if they'll all the way though

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
LOL... what a great forum "VS these 4 xmen I chose."

Since colussus was recently updated to the 100 class strength range, and [B]icemans is now the shiznite with the ability to freeze people from the inside out ,
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Woah, how does that work?

look at my sig for how it works, it also shows him freezing heat beams by the stranger.

Also he has control over molecular motion, go to the respect thread on the last page is really good description of his powers on that. Also in X-men forever he was shown to have a certain control over "everything" whatever that is supposed to mean concerning his powers.

And yes he still has all his powers the only thing that was gone was his secondary mutation, so he can turn from human to ice and back. Thats all that has left him.

So to take Human Torch all he has to do is stop all the molecules flying around creating heat, while the Torch to stop him would have to do a supernova (which takes time) and the Flash freeze is faster, even then its debatable since Iceman could "teleport" away from the blast really fast. Look at the sig and on one of the pics Prosh talks about how quickly Iceman could get to one state from another one in the nation (I know it was from Boston to another state but I cant remember which one) before Mystique pulls trigger to kill her son.

Originally posted by marvelprince
I actually think the FF can tae this. I remember an issue of X-men where Bobby was a disemobied head and couldn't reform himself because there was not enough moisture in the air. If thats the case I feel that then the torch beats him.

Colossus vs Thing? I think that would be a stalemate. Nightcrawler vs Mr Fantastic? Nightcrawler can't hurt him physically but Reed has a hard time catching him. Many ppl underestimate Reed, but with his brillant mind and his being nearly impervious to physical injury he is much more dangerous than people imagine.

Jean is the X-Factor here, with her telepathy she could probably take down the FF. W/o it? Sue takes her out.

Plus the FF has written the book on teamwork. Sue and Johhny could just do that thing (can't remember the name) where she puts some of Johhny's concentrated plasma into a field and puts it into a target. If they get this off on Jean then she's out and the FF wins this round.

Of course there's evidence that a Jean fresh out of the cocoon couldn't get through IW's shields. There's no evidence that Sue can get through Jean's shield either...

How powerful are they? Sue's attacks have hurt people like Terminus, Silver Surfer, Onslaught, Celestials or even Galactus.

Jean could TP manipulate johnny and ben to attack there own team and and torch attack reed while the rest attack sue. once they are beaten then the x-men beat a dazed and confused thing and torch.

wait....jean right out of the cocoon had no powers right??

Are u talking about when Sue put her down back in the day? Yea she had powers, she was affecting everyone in the building except Sue. She realized her powers couldnt get past her field so she simply enveloped Jean.

Cyclops: Alright. Who the Hell did this?

Human Torch: We did.

Cyclops: Oh sorry sir. We thought maybe it was Apocolypse or something.
We'll go back over there now. Sorry to bother you!*inches back*

Can Sue block telepathy?

its a debatable subject.....some say yes, others say no, and scans are inconclusive

Originally posted by Blair Wind
wait....jean right out of the cocoon had no powers right??

Edit: forget it

this is STILL going on? i thought it was fairly agreed the x-men win months ago, thanks to jeans pre-phoenix NXM power levels, iceman's godness, and colossus' superiority over thing.

hm.

wynndar, you know damn well that jean didn't have telepathy fresh out of the cocoon, and you also know that sue harming celestials and galactus was PIS involving hyperspace.

shame.

Originally posted by bitca360
X-Men win...

Hi angie...xoxo

Bump.

Like I said before....X-men win 🙂

I think it depends on who the x men are. Some X men are powerful enough to defeat all the F4. Jean as phoenix would probably burn them out of existance. i mean, if the x men wanted to take out the F4 they would have members who would be more than a match.
But if we're going with four x men... I would probably say Emma Frost(invisible woman), Ice man(human torch), Collossus(the Thing)and Storm(Mister Fantastic)

I choose Shadowcat, Sunspot, Vanisher and Mercury for this one.

This is such a good battle 😄

Colossus and Thing go off and have a day long slobberknocker, after which they both get tired and fall asleep

Mr Fantastic keeps trying to wrap up Nightcrawler, only for Nightcrawler to teleport away

The real battle is Jean Grey and Iceman vs Sue Storm and Human Torch

Who out of Iceman and Human Torch has greater control over their molecular make up - seems like a stalemate

Can Jean Grey penetrate Sue Storm's barrier, can Jean Grey repel Sue Storm's attacks persistently

I don't know so I say draw 😛

I don't see how Iceman can be killed by any of F4 so if fight to the death, they cannot technically win anyway