FF4 VS these 4 xmen i chose

i think that by now, sue can project fields as a reflex (as kitty phases as a reflex) but has to concentrate to create special offensive fields, but i don't know enough about the nature of sue's fields and what she can filter. It depends on how teke is used. A telepath should be able to deflect psi-bolts that are tk in nature since they are purely psi-energy, sue may be able to do that. If it is used to hurl in object, that object must be extremely heavy and/or abundant to get past a field as strong as sue's. or telekinetically dismantling sue but at that time jean i dont think jean was powerful enough to do that, and even against Jean before she became PWC, she was still pretty formidible in battle. Still, i think the F4 are more versatile and have the upper hand

Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9
Still, i think the F4 are more versatile and have the upper hand

more versatile than TWO OMEGA mutants?? one who can stop all moleculer motion in your body making you a frozen statue, exist as water vapor, flash freeze people, not be physically killed, and another who can mindrape almost anyone?? hows that again? 😕

Originally posted by demigawd
Considering how the X-men dominate the FF on threads on boards across the internet, I couldn't possibly see how that's true.

JLA, maybe. Avengers, maybe. Definitely not FF

Im not sure if he just proved me wrong...or proved my point?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
more versatile than TWO OMEGA mutants?? one who can stop all moleculer motion in your body making you a frozen statue, exist as water vapor, flash freeze people, not be physically killed, and another who can mindrape almost anyone?? hows that again? 😕

when defeated i assume disembodied, not killed, and i assume that we're not talking about current Jean/Phoenix and marvel girl era Jean which would make this thread pointless. If so, then X-Men wins. Iceman would NEVER be defeated and Jean sure as hell won't, X all the way. But if its disembody iceman and old jean, then F4

current Iceman hasnt been that impressive in his own book.

^ Cause the writers suck.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Its weird how insecure the X-Men fans get about F4...

Originally posted by jrodslam
^ Cause the writers suck.

AMEN

oh so when he's not written as a "god of all thing's water" in one PIS instance, and all other instances show him a a mid level X-Man that goes down from lasers and gets knocked out by sleeping gas its because the writers are bad? My opinion of IM is drawn from the sum of his comic appearances, not one single PIS instance where he appeared omnipotent...in another dimension. The portrayal of Iceman as a immortal is not the norm, its one brief instance...

once? more then once....fighting with the monks, X-men Forever, flash freezing Legion, an instance in the future where he had gone insane and other X-men came to capture him and he killed them all, AoA, fighting with Emma Frost, hell Emma Frost herself when she had Iceman's body...any other times??? He has been classified as Omega...which means yes he is as you put it so nicely for me "god of all things water"

He exists as just a head in Uncanny #434, and pulls the moisture out of a villains body to reform his ice form.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
once? more then once....fighting with the monks, X-men Forever, flash freezing Legion, an instance in the future where he had gone insane and other X-men came to capture him and he killed them all, AoA, fighting with Emma Frost, hell Emma Frost herself when she had Iceman's body...any other times??? He has been classified as Omega...which means yes he is as you put it so nicely for me "god of all things water"

Well I guess sleeping gas and laser guns have gotten meaner since then? Get used to the presently mediocre "demi-god of cold stuff".

dude...bad writing....all there is too it...i mean common torch getting un torched by a fire extinguisher was bad, so are lasers and sleeping gas to iceman.....

X-men. The reasons have already been said.

another solid argument from metalmax

Originally posted by Wynndar
another solid argument from metalmax

yet nothing by wynndar.... 🙄

Originally posted by Wynndar
My opinion of IM is drawn from the sum of his comic appearances, not one single PIS instance

Originally posted by Wynndar
Well I guess sleeping gas and laser guns have gotten meaner since then? Get used to the presently mediocre "demi-god of cold stuff".

Originally posted by Wynndar
another solid argument from metalmax

Wow. Twice in a row there, Wynndar.

Thought we were better than that.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There's something ironic there...

Ill say....yet there seems to be no solid arguements from wynndar....

bump....i wanna hear wynndars arguements...