Batman vs Wolverine

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Batman and Wolverine are both skilled combatants. It's debatable who is actually better. I'll assume they are even. Batman does have the accessories to beat Logan, but probably not to kill him. I think Bats has enough explosives, sonics, and freeze capsules to incapacitate Wolverine long enough for a win. Wolverine has enough endurance, resistance, and durability to compensate for Batman's gadgets. This is a 5/10 split in my opinion. If the battle is in DC then Batman wins the majority, if it's in Marvel then Wolverine wins the majority.

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Originally posted by who?-kid
You should be.
Dont worry i am 😎

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Originally posted by capt it up
Wolverine s not a brawler not in the sense you are thinking. Wolverine is a deadly warrior who has amazing amount of experience and training with many different fighting style’

I know Wolverine is a tremendous fighter. His mutant powers along with his skill and training make him great at fighting. However, if you take away those mutant powers that he has, he wouldn't be Batman's equal in fighting. About the many different styles; Other than handbooks his prowess as a martial artist is good, but he hardly ever shows that he knows it. He walks into a fight and throws skill right out the window. The handbooks personify a perception of Wolverine that you do not see in the comics hardly.

Originally posted by capt it up
To bad wolverine is not a brawler in the sense you are thinking and is not the type of fighter that batman has ever encounter before. Also I might add bane and killer croc skills are pathetic and both would get humiliated by Logan at once. Also wolverine rouges on average are far more skilled fighters then batman’s.

Wolverine is great but imo without his mutant powers backing him up he wouldn't be the fighter that Batman is. Bane's skills ARE NOT pathetic at all. He is a very skilled fighter. However, Batman has got many great rogues that are on Wolverine's skill level. The Sensei, Lady Shiva, Ra's Al Guhl, Cheshire, etc.

Originally posted by capt it up
You clearly do not read wolverine comic’s then.

Yes I do. I like Wolverine comics very much. They are very entertaining but you hardly ever see his fighting skills that he is a "master" of.

Originally posted by capt it up
Actually he shows’s it quite a bit too bad you don’t read wolverine comics or you would know this.

Yes I do. Apparently you don't read much Batman.

Originally posted by capt it up
Is this supposed to be impressive? Wolverine ahs been said to be the best fighter on more then one occasion does that make it true?

Not only has Batman's fighting skills been claimed to be excellent, but they have been claimed to be artfully done in a skillful manner that only a master of so many styles has. Please give me an example of where Wolverine has been "claimed" to be the best fighter.

Originally posted by capt it up
Makes a huge difference

He only uses his gadgets in certain situations. He usually goes h2h with an opponent.

Originally posted by capt it up
Really like who? Who does he fight that is really that skilled at fight? Deathstroke hand batman his ass when they fought and yes batman put up a fight, but it was futile

People like Ra's Al Guhl, Cheshire, Lady Shiva, The Sensei, etc.

Originally posted by capt it up
How is the point mute? When you fight 20 people even if your more skilled then them you are more then likely going to lose. Also you should take that advice your self since you keep taking about how batman uses his fighting skill all the time yet are any of the people he fight’s close to wolverine’s skill level?

However, Batman has also taken down the entire criminal populace at Arkham Asylumn before, so Batman has done that kind of stuff too.

Originally posted by capt it up
I agree with you here lol. I don’t think he high, but I do think he un educated in knowledge on Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee would beat any one in h2h combat. The dude is quite possible the greatest warrior and fighter to ever live.

✅

Originally posted by capt it up
Are you fighting kidding me? Batman has more fighting knowledge then a guy who fought and trained for 1000 years in martial arts?

Apparently so. ✅ Who has Ogun beat in comics that actually means anything in terms of skills? You can give me his biography all you want but Ogun still hasn't demonstrated his skills on other high-level martial arts heroes other than Wolverine WHO HE LOST TO!

Originally posted by capt it up
Dude the hand book you got the info from also stated him at a level 7 meaning master of all styles, so your info contradicts it self. Also read up on ogun he master far far more styles then 13.

Once again that is just marvel's hyperbole. Nobody is a MASTER of all martial arts in the Marvel universe. NOBODY. All handbooks are crap anyway. Btw, even riceroost will tell you that Ogun is a master of 13 styles. 😉

Originally posted by capt it up
This is were your lack of Wolverine knowledge hurt you greatly my friend, since wolverine has repeated feats just as impressive.

Yeah, even though Wolverine is one of my all-time favorite comic book characters. 🙄

Originally posted by capt it up
Can you prove this statement because I for one think it bull shit, but I could be wrong.

You can find it anywhere, just look it up.

Originally posted by capt it up
Your talken about a guy who hangs with superman, that’s not really good evidence.

No no, you misunderstand me. I'm not comparing Karate Kid to Batman or Wolverine. What I am saying though is that if experience was the most important thing in a fight, Karate Kid (who is 16 years old) would not be the best fighter in comic history.

Originally posted by capt it up
This is were your lack of knowledge on Wolverine really hurts you.
Many of Wolverines s rouges are highly skilled martial artists. Lady death strike, cyber ect.

First of all, Cyber is not really that skilled, at least he's not even close to being as skilled as Batman. However, I would like to see him try and take them down WITHOUT any of his mutant powers. 🙄

Originally posted by capt it up
Surprising Wolverine is now considered best him? By the way go read contest of champion’s issue 3

Or how about the time where BP schooled Wolverine in two moves? 😉

Originally posted by capt it up
The fight you are referring to was from a very old comic and it was written prior to Wolverine full development and prior to wolverine wolverines run explain his past as a martial artist. Also Wolverine fought and almost killed a fighter who destroyed both Danny and Luke cage eaisliy.

Yet Iron Fist is much more impressive in fighting abilities than Wolverine is. However, although Wolverine beat a character that gave Iron Fist and Luke Cage trouble, I would like to see Wolverine try and beat the original Iron Fist.

Originally posted by capt it up
Only time DD ever best Wolverine was in a Ennis run that was full of PIS, Hell that moment of DD besting Wolverine was PIS and I am not even sure that comic run is ever Cannon.

Why is it PIS? Is it because you didn't like the way it turned out? Show me one incident where a pressure point was used on Wolverine and it healed so fast that it didn't even have an effect on him? Of course the story was cannon.

Originally posted by capt it up
He has had his power taken away and Held his own quite fine actually.

Okay, who has he taken on WITHOUT any of his powers that are on Batman's skill level?

Originally posted by capt it up
You need to read up on Wolverine then.

I read a lot of Wolverine. 😉

Originally posted by capt it up
Your opinion which I for one find wrong.

And I find your opinion wrong as well. 😄

Originally posted by capt it up
I am sorry if I came off a little harsh.

It's okay, don't worry about it. 👆 I'm sorry too if I was a little harsh.

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wolvie slices batboys head off

badabing Gym rat

Batman gives Wolvie boy a batkick in the nards and drops him.

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Originally posted by diabloman
wolvie slices batboys head off

Then he comes after you. 😐

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Originally posted by diabloman
wolvie slices batboys head off

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Originally posted by batdude123
Then he comes after you. 😐
why would he want to after me ? he only fights somone when there attacking him. batman like to show off

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Originally posted by diabloman
why would he want to after me ? he only fights somone when there attacking him. batman like to show off

🙄

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face it dude batman gets his butt kicked by mostly any marvel guys cause he doesnt have any powers. and cap get his ass kicked as well fighting alot of DC guys unless they go and to hand. you still dont get that through your hard head.

badabing Gym rat

Batman doesn't need powers to win. He's just that bad@ss.

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Originally posted by diabloman
face it dude batman gets his butt kicked by mostly any marvel guys cause he doesnt have any powers. and cap get his ass kicked as well fighting alot of DC guys unless they go and to hand. you still dont get that through your hard head.

Oh geez. doh This one is BEYOND help.

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Originally posted by batdude123
Oh geez. doh This one is BEYOND help.
be a man admit it. yah theres some guys batma can take on that have powers but not many without his toys. hed kick gambits ass and jubilees butt in a sec. whithout his toys of course. and many others. but carnage ? come on man his toys dont help him out there.

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Originally posted by diabloman
be a man admit it. yah theres some guys batma can take on that have powers but not many without his toys. hed kick gambits ass and jubilees butt in a sec. whithout his toys of course. and many others. but carnage ? come on man his toys dont help him out there.

Without the motherbox, of course Batman would lose to Carnage.

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Originally posted by diabloman
wolvie slices batboys head off

mm..unlikely

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Originally posted by MrHeavySilence
mm..unlikely

Just ignore him. 🙄

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by batdude123
I know Wolverine is a tremendous fighter.

As do I know that of batman.

Originally posted by batdude123
His mutant powers along with his skill and training make him great at fighting.

AS does batman’s suit along with his gadget’s make him a great fighter. Also wolverine’s powers do not have any thing to do with his skills.

Originally posted by batdude123
However, if you take away those mutant powers that he has,

Then it would change nothing, since his powers do not affect his fighting skill.

Originally posted by batdude123
he wouldn't be Batman's equal in fighting.

Can you support this argument with evidence? Also in my opinion wolverine would be greater.

Originally posted by batdude123
About the many different styles; Other than handbooks his prowess as a martial artist is good,

Try amazing.

Originally posted by batdude123
but he hardly ever shows that he knows it.

This statement is far from true and below are a few picture of wolverine demonstrating his martial arts I would also like to add that these are just a few picture and I have many more comic issue’s I can post supporting my argument even more.

Wolverine beating some robot badly
http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinekcikignrobotsasses1ld.jpg

Wolverine owning some ninja’s
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page191ih.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page201ki.jpg
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http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fightingability27wz.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
He walks into a fight and throws skill right out the window.

Not a true statement at all, my friend. Please reframe from making such false statements, because wolverine clearly does not throw away his skills when walking into a fight and Wolverine usually uses his superior fighting skill’s to beat opponent’s that are superior physically.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wolverine is great but imo without his mutant powers backing him up he wouldn't be the fighter that Batman is.

You keep saying this, but yet there is hardly any evidence to support such claims. Skill has not a thing to do with powers and just because wolverine has powers that in know way would make him more skilled then if he did not have powers.

Originally posted by batdude123
Bane's skills ARE NOT pathetic at all.

Next to Wolverine, they are quite pathetic. Bane is an al right fighter, but he not that skilled at all.

Originally posted by batdude123
He is a very skilled fighter.

No he not, he not even as skilled as rough house.

Originally posted by batdude123
However, Batman has got many great rogues that are on Wolverine's skill level.

I doubt that very much actually.

Originally posted by batdude123
The Sensei,

Are you referring too O-sensei? If you are he has yet to impress me. He was a martial art’s teacher, but who has he beaten that would consider him close to Logan skill? Also if you are referring to who I think you are he was a good guy, so how could he possibly be batman rouge?
Originally posted by batdude123
Lady Shiva,

She is skilled all right, but Logan’s level of skill? I doubt that very much. Most of her skill comes from her abilities to know an opponents attack before they make them. Also Mister-X would wipe the floor with her rather easily. Also has batman ever beaten her in a melee combat and if so please give me the issue number and title or scans if you have them?

Originally posted by batdude123
Ra's Al Guhl,

This guy is quite skilled, but then again he is no Ogun. He does not have nearly the experience of Ogun who has lived 1000 of years. Ra’s is quite old though as I recall he what about 300-400, but it hardly matter since he can not compete with a guy like Ogun who has trained him self to be beyond human limitations.
Originally posted by batdude123
Cheshire,

I don’t know any thing about this guy and I tried looking him up, but found nothing, so if you could please give me some info on him, it would be much appreciated

Originally posted by batdude123
etc.

Who pray tell are there other’s?

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes I do.

If you in fact do, you hardly read them regularly if at all.

Originally posted by batdude123
I like Wolverine comics very much.

I enjoy many different comics such as the new thunderbolts, but that in no way means I read them regularly.

Originally posted by batdude123
They are very entertaining but you hardly ever see his fighting skills that he is a "master" of.

Here you are wrong my friend. Wolverine repeatedly shows his skills, so if you in fact read wolverine comic’s you would know this.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes I do.

I doubt it is any thing close to regularly

Originally posted by batdude123
Not only has Batman's fighting skills been claimed to be excellent, but they have been claimed to be artfully done in a skillful manner that only a master of so many styles has.

http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=berserker27oj3ym.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
Please give me an example of where Wolverine has been "claimed" to be the best fighter.

From the run “The Best There Is”

Originally posted by batdude123
He only uses his gadgets in certain situations. He usually goes h2h with an opponent.

He never goes pure Hand 2 Hand, he always uses some sort of gadget to assist him. The only people I see him go pure hand 2 hand with are street thugs who are quite awful at fighting.

Originally posted by batdude123
People like Ra's Al Guhl, Cheshire, Lady Shiva, The Sensei, etc.

I already answered this above in my post.

Originally posted by batdude123
However, Batman has also taken down the entire criminal populace at Arkham Asylumn before, so Batman has done that kind of stuff too.

What kinds of criminals are in Arkham? Did batman hand two hand all of them all? Because that what wolverine did on a regular basis.

Originally posted by batdude123
✅

Bruce Lee Kick’s ass a lot of ass.

Originally posted by batdude123
Apparently so. ✅

Only in your little world.

Originally posted by batdude123
Who has Ogun beat in comics that actually means anything in terms of skills?

Ogun has not fought any other super hero, but wolverine based on the fact his pure reason of being is to kill Logan. Ogun how ever was body guard for mister x who he was also more skilled then and had to save from wolverine on 3 occassions. Mister-X is if I am not mistaken was also stated to have easily beaten both DD and Capt. So Ogun is easily more skilled then a guy who has defeated both DD and Capt in combat. Ogun was also stated to be the best swords men to ever live and defeated and killed many legendary warriors. Ghost rider haws also comment on how skilled a fighter and martial artist Ogun is.

Originally posted by batdude123
You can give me his biography all you want

I have yet to give you Ogun Bio. I have simply stated what has been stated in comic many a times.

Originally posted by batdude123
but Ogun still hasn't demonstrated his skills on other high-level martial arts heroes

True because he a villain of wolverine who soul purpose is to kill Logan. Thing is like I stated earlier he has shown his skills and was body guard of a man who had defeated two of the best fighter’s in marvel earth.

capt it up Senior Member

Originally posted by batdude123
Once again that is just marvel's hyperbole. Nobody is a MASTER of all martial arts in the Marvel universe. NOBODY. All handbooks are crap anyway.

My point of saying that was to prove that the info you were trying to uses as evidence contradicted it self.

Originally posted by batdude123
Btw, even riceroost will tell you that Ogun is a master of 13 styles. 😉

I really don’t see the point in you stating this? Just because riceroost think some thing does not make it true, I disagree with riceroost on quite a few things.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah, even though Wolverine is one of my all-time favorite comic book characters. 🙄

Why does wolverine being one of your all time favorite characters, have to do with you lacking on information about him? Just because You like Wolverine does not make you knowledgeable about him and his abilities.

Originally posted by batdude123
You can find it anywhere, just look it up.

Oh I look it up and what I found was that at max he a little over 400 and that being generous.

Originally posted by batdude123
No no, you misunderstand me. I'm not comparing Karate Kid to Batman or Wolverine. What I am saying though is that if experience was the most important thing in a fight, Karate Kid (who is 16 years old) would not be the best fighter in comic history.

Again you’re using an anomaly as evidence. Karate kid is far from the norm and he hangs with superman that lone pretty much discredits your debate. I was never saying that experience was the end all, but it is a huge factor in a fight. The person with more experience has huge advantages in fights due to that experience they are more able to adapted and they also have better knowledge of there abilities and skills.

Originally posted by batdude123
First of all, Cyber is not really that skilled,

Actually he extremely skilled. He was a special ops instructor in fighting skills and h2h combat. He also highly skilled martial art’s who was suppose to be the top fighter in I think it was weapon x program.

Originally posted by batdude123
at least he's not even close to being as skilled as Batman.

That’s were you are wrong my friend. You should read up on cyber. Cyber would pretty much mop the floor with any of batman’s rouges quite easily.

Originally posted by batdude123
However, I would like to see him try and take them down WITHOUT any of his mutant powers. 🙄

He took on saber tooth with out his powers. He has taken on lady death strike with out his powers as well. I like to see Batman take any of wolverine rouges. All of wolverine rouges would mop the floor with batman.

Originally posted by batdude123
Or how about the time where BP schooled Wolverine in two moves? 😉

So surprising wolverine is now schooling him? Have you even read what happen? The issue number you are referring to is Black panther issue 8 from the black panther x-men run. BP never schooled wolverine, hell all BP did was surprise Logan which by the way Logan was not even hurt. That event was Also quite full of PIS as well.

Originally posted by batdude123
Yet Iron Fist is much more impressive in fighting abilities than Wolverine is.

But here the thing he not as impressive let a lone a lot more impressive. You keep stating such things with out any evidence to support such a claim. Please reframe from saying such things unless you can back it up. Iron Fist is in no way a superior fighter to Logan in any way.
Originally posted by batdude123
However, although Wolverine beat a character that gave Iron Fist and Luke Cage trouble, I would like to see Wolverine try and beat the original Iron Fist.

Why could Logan not beat the original? If Logan can beat one who showed it self to be superior to The original then it pretty clearly that Logan could and would beat the original.

Originally posted by batdude123
Why is it PIS?
Is it because you didn't like the way it turned out? Show me one incident where a pressure point was used on Wolverine and it healed so fast that it didn't even have an effect on him? Of course the story was cannon.

This is why that event was PIS.
Wolverine has shown repeatedly to be unaffected by pressure points unless a weapon his jammed into the pressure point. Also I know DD hit his Adam’s apple, but that should have done absolutely nothing to a man with a healing factor as advanced as Logan’s. Wolverine takes bullets to the throat with out flinching and yet he is taken down by a freaking neck jab? Wolverine takes swords to the throat and keeps fighting he even some times has the swords still in his throat. That event was PIS because it clearly goes against many showing’s that prove such a thing should have had no effect on Wolverine.
Also that very same run Wolverine drinks acid think it is booze. That is impossible for a man who has a sense of smell that is even more advanced then Daredevil’s.
Also in that very run Spiderman is in a room full of fake bomb’s and he thinks they are real. How is that possible for a genius who has an ability to tell when he in danger to be tricked by fake bombs?
That is just two events of PIS out of many many more just from that single run.
Also I am not even sure if that comic run was cannon I thought I heard it was stated later to all be a dream, but I could be incorrect about that. Another reason I think it is not cannon is because in a wolverine issue wolverine talks about how punisher got the better of him before and he does not mention a single event from that Ennis run yet he mentions the events from when a steam roller was put on him.

Originally posted by batdude123
Okay, who has he taken on WITHOUT any of his powers that are on Batman's skill level?

Wait so now you’re only going to except, fighting skill feats of wolverine only when he does not have his powers? That is like taking away 99.5% of wolverine’s showings and that is like me saying any time batman had his suit on or uses an item you can not uses those instances as usable feats. Do you see how that kind of sounds dumb and arrogant?
I would like to see batman take any of wolverine’s rouges with out prep time.

There is some thing I would like to clear up, well were on the whole power thing. You think Batman is more skilled because he has no powers correct? To assume such a thing is more or less arrogant of whom wolverine fights compared to whom Batman fights.

Batman fights skilled humans such as Ra's Al Guhl and Lady Shiva who are both in human limitation physically. Batman also has physically advantages over both of them. Wolverine on the other hand fights highly skilled superhuman such as Cyber and Saber tooth both of which are superior to Logan physically in many ways. So to assume batman is a better fighter because he does not have power is arrogant, because batman is fighting highly skilled humans while wolverine on the other hand is fighting highly skilled superhumans who on average have physical advantages over him.
Batman how ever does fight some meta humans, but most of them are far from skilled. Bane how ever is a pretty skilled meta human that batman does fight, but even he is far from being amazingly skilled fighter. Wolverine fights a character like Bane, but far better and that character is Rough-house. Bane at his best is what a call 10 and is not bullet proof, while wolverine on the other hand fights rough-house who around 90 ton’s and is bullet proof. This is a prime example of the huge difference in the level of power there opponents have.

Originally posted by batdude123
I read a lot of Wolverine. 😉

I doubt that very much

Originally posted by batdude123
And I find your opinion wrong as well. 😄

Fair enough

Originally posted by batdude123
It's okay, don't worry about it. 👆 I'm sorry too if I was a little harsh.

AS am I sorry if I was harsh in this reply.

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Originally posted by capt it up
As do I know that of batman.

Yep. 👆

Originally posted by capt it up
AS does batman’s suit along with his gadget’s make him a great fighter. Also wolverine’s powers do not have any thing to do with his skills.

Batman's gadgets are an insurance policy in case something goes wrong. He usually goes hand to hand against somebody. Also, you don't think that Wolverine's powers augment his fighting skill if only a little bit? Not even his enhanced agility? Enhanced reflexes? Enhanced speed? Enhanced strength? Super senses?

Originally posted by capt it up
Then it would change nothing, since his powers do not affect his fighting skill.

Read the above post.

Originally posted by capt it up
Can you support this argument with evidence? Also in my opinion wolverine would be greater.

No, and neither can you considering these two have never squared off before. In my opinion, Batman would be greater.

Originally posted by capt it up
Try amazing.

Alright, AMAZING!

Originally posted by capt it up
This statement is far from true and below are a few picture of wolverine demonstrating his martial arts I would also like to add that these are just a few picture and I have many more comic issue’s I can post supporting my argument even more.

Wolverine beating some robot badly
http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinekcikignrobotsasses1ld.jpg

Wolverine owning some ninja’s
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page191ih.jpg
http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page201ki.jpg
more
http://img226.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fightingability27wz.jpg

So? Wolverine wasted a robot. This doesn't prove anything. Also the ninja scene is out of date and is not recent. Besides, those ninjas were punks anyway.

Originally posted by capt it up
Not a true statement at all, my friend. Please reframe from making such false statements, because wolverine clearly does not throw away his skills when walking into a fight and Wolverine usually uses his superior fighting skill’s to beat opponent’s that are superior physically.

Exactly like Batman. 😉

Originally posted by capt it up
You keep saying this, but yet there is hardly any evidence to support such claims. Skill has not a thing to do with powers and just because wolverine has powers that in know way would make him more skilled then if he did not have powers. [/B]

I know you have a hard time understanding that Wolverine's fighting skills are augmented by his mutant powers, but please... do try.

Originally posted by capt it up
Next to Wolverine, they are quite pathetic. Bane is an al right fighter, but he not that skilled at all.

Did I say that Bane was as skilled as Wolverine? 😕 No, I didn't. Bane's skills however, are in no way shape or form "pathetic."

Originally posted by capt it up
No he not, he not even as skilled as rough house.

Pfffffft. Please! 🙄

Originally posted by capt it up
I doubt that very much actually.

Actually, yeah, he does. ✅

Originally posted by capt it up
Are you referring too O-sensei? If you are he has yet to impress me. He was a martial art’s teacher, but who has he beaten that would consider him close to Logan skill? Also if you are referring to who I think you are he was a good guy, so how could he possibly be batman rouge?

No, actually I'm talking about the "Sensei." However, if you think that O-Sensei isn't very impressive, then that is the understatement of the century. He was the martial arts master of Richard Dragon.

Originally posted by capt it up
She is skilled all right, but Logan’s level of skill? I doubt that very much. Most of her skill comes from her abilities to know an opponents attack before they make them. Also Mister-X would wipe the floor with her rather easily. Also has batman ever beaten her in a melee combat and if so please give me the issue number and title or scans if you have them?

Actually, I would consider her to be as good, if not BETTER than Logan is in terms of fighting skills. She is considered to be the absolute best martial artist on the planet. Foes of hers consider it a privillege for them to get beat up by her. Her fighting skills have been described as beautiful, poetry in motion, and "flawless." Mister X beating her? Pfffft. That's laughable. The only reason why he could beat her is because he is a telepath. Yes, btw Batman has defeated her:

On one occasion, they stalemated.

On another occasion, Batman got the best of her.

One time, Shiva ran away before they could even square off.

And on another occasion, Batman just flat out beat her.

The only reason why I think that Batman is able to compete with her, is because he is physically superior. He himself has stated that he isn't the martial artist that she is. Although, he has also stated that there is always the question of who is the better h2h fighter of the two.

Originally posted by capt it up
This guy is quite skilled, but then again he is no Ogun. He does not have nearly the experience of Ogun who has lived 1000 of years. Ra’s is quite old though as I recall he what about 300-400, but it hardly matter since he can not compete with a guy like Ogun who has trained him self to be beyond human limitations.

Yes, Ra's is skilled. He is considered one of the best fighters on the planet because he has studied and studied martial arts for hundreds of years. Batman usually schools him on when they fight, so don't be underestimating Ra's or Batman here.

Originally posted by capt it up
I don’t know any thing about this guy and I tried looking him up, but found nothing, so if you could please give me some info on him, it would be much appreciated

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_%28comics%29

Originally posted by capt it up
Who pray tell are there other’s?

Hush, Bronze Tiger, etc.

Originally posted by capt it up
If you in fact do, you hardly read them regularly if at all.

Yes, I read Wolverine comics.

Originally posted by capt it up
Here you are wrong my friend. Wolverine repeatedly shows his skills, so if you in fact read wolverine comic’s you would know this.

Yes, capt, I freakin do read Wolverine comics. You know, to be honest you saying that I don't read Wolverine really isn't helping your arguement here.

Originally posted by capt it up
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=berserker27oj3ym.jpg

That doesn't prove anything to me. It just shows that Wolverine is able to retain his skills while letting his animalistic side loose.

Originally posted by capt it up
He never goes pure Hand 2 Hand, he always uses some sort of gadget to assist him. The only people I see him go pure hand 2 hand with are street thugs who are quite awful at fighting.

You are so far off it's scary. ❌

Originally posted by capt it up
What kinds of criminals are in Arkham? Did batman hand two hand all of them all? Because that what wolverine did on a regular basis.

The worst and craziest scum that Gotham city has to offer. Yes, he did go hand to hand with them.

Originally posted by capt it up
Bruce Lee Kick’s ass a lot of ass.

Agreed. ✅

Originally posted by capt it up
Only in your little world.

Sure capt, whatever you say. 🙄

Originally posted by capt it up
Ogun has not fought any other super hero, but wolverine based on the fact his pure reason of being is to kill Logan. Ogun how ever was body guard for mister x who he was also more skilled then and had to save from wolverine on 3 occassions. Mister-X is if I am not mistaken was also stated to have easily beaten both DD and Capt. So Ogun is easily more skilled then a guy who has defeated both DD and Capt in combat. Ogun was also stated to be the best swords men to ever live and defeated and killed many legendary warriors. Ghost rider haws also comment on how skilled a fighter and martial artist Ogun is. [/B]

Ogun is also a spiritual being with a bunch of mystical powers. He isn't necessarily a better fighter than Mister X.

Originally posted by capt it up
True because he a villain of wolverine who soul purpose is to kill Logan.

Which he failed miserably at. 🙂

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