Holocaust Memorial Day

Originally posted by Syren
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It completely contradicts the word 'free' in 'free speech' if limitations are imposed.

its not a limitation of expression of ideas, be them virtuous or just hateful.
its common sense to not allow people to cause a stampede, which could happen by yelling "fire" OR "bomb" in a crowded public place.

i guess we are kinda off-topic though

I understand that ✅ By 'free speech' I'm thinking more along the lines of personal opinion etc, I didn't think about it that way 😬

It's stupid to assert that freedom of speech still applies when such limitations are imposed. If you have to consider the possible result that some unbalanced individual may be incited to something outrageous by something you say then you'd be unable to say anything 😖

The concept of Free Speech in liberal democracies has limitations built in. Incitation to racial hatred, slander, and harrassment are three examples of why it does sometimes have to be limited.

But making Holocaust Denial a crime is way past the line.

hehe, yea this is one of those laws a lot of people have problems with, I for one wouldn't mind if they didn't use it anymore. It's just an easy loophole these days to punish nazi supporters.

(the waving of Nazi flags and stuff like that is also prohibited in belgium)

The UK doesn't strictly even count as a parliamentary democracy anymore (referring to the civil contingencies Bill)

I remenber you mention that before Fire. And I'm just curious, is it agains't the law to wave the Nazi flag or is it simply agains't the law to own a Nazi flag? I mean you can own a flag for historic reasons, but no to promote nazism. You following me?

Errr... sorry, that statement is not true. That does not make us any less of a parliamentary democracy. Our laws are still enacted by representatives of the people.

Originally posted by WindDancer
I remenber you mention that before Fire. And I'm just curious, is it agains't the law to wave the Nazi flag or is it simply agains't the law to own a Nazi flag? I mean you can own a flag for historic reasons, but no to promote nazism. You following me?

Thats retarted people should be allowed to wave what ever flag they want.

Well the selling and buying of nazi flags is prohibited unless you need them for educational purposes I assume. But these days just order it online and voila.

That makes more sense. If it is for educational or historic purposes I guess the law isn't obstructing free speech.

Originally posted by Clovie
they showed some results of the poll on tv today
that lke 40% of americans don't believe it has happened 😑
and something like 20% of british

there half right in the actual exterminations there were very few most of the prisoners died from dieases and hunger

Originally posted by WindDancer
That makes more sense. If it is for educational or historic purposes I guess the law isn't obstructing free speech.

It dosent matter even if there nazis there protected under free speech too

You could be charged for that in some European countires, Napalm.

Personally I don't give a rats ass wether or not the law is obstructing Freedom of speech, I think it has serious limits

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You could be charged for that in some European countires, Napalm.

For saying that more people died from the conditons?

no, they are still 100% wrong then. the holocaust was an attempt at genocide.
whether you gas people or purposely starve them to death, its still murder.

Originally posted by PVS
no, they are still 100% wrong then. the holocaust was an attempt at genocide.
whether you gas people or purposely starve them to death, its still murder.

I wasnt dening that

Originally posted by Napalm
It dosent matter even if there nazis there protected under free speech too

Yes Napalm in America a Neo Nazi can wear a swastika and wave the flag all he wants. But the minute that Neo Nazi uses his free speach to promote violence agaisn't anyone is agaisn't the law. Thus, free speech gets restricted by the law.

The law in belgium it quite fishy the borderline between what you can and can not say is pretty sketchy