Holocaust Memorial Day

Originally posted by Napalm
For saying that more people died from the conditons?

Yup, because as PVS alludes to, that is trying to deny that it was crafted genocide, which is Holocaust Denial, which is illegal. The whole point of the term 'Holocaust' is that it refers to a policy decision to eliminate all jews as fast as possible, not just let them die.

You probably wouldn't be charged, because even though such laws are insane, the people who press charges are not necessarily so. But you COULD be charged, and all in all they are very poor pieces of legislation.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Yes Napalm in America a Neo Nazi can wear a swastika and wave the flag all he wants. But the minute that Neo Nazi uses his free speach to promote violence agaisn't anyone is agaisn't the law. Thus, free speech gets restricted by the law.

The moment we restrict a facist is the moment we become facist ourselves

Originally posted by Napalm
I wasnt dening that

no, but you were trying to point out a loophole where people who deny are partially correct, just because the figures in methods of murdering are blurry.
that makes no sense.

Originally posted by Napalm
The moment we restrict a facist is the moment we become facist ourselves

That is sure as hell not true. Preventing Klu Klux Klan members from inciting people to violence against blacks and therefore saving many lives is not a facist policy.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yup, because as PVS alludes to, that is trying to deny that it was crafted genocide, which is Holocaust Denial, which is illegal. The whole point of the term 'Holocaust' is that it refers to a policy decision to eliminate all jews as fast as possible, not just let them die.

You probably wouldn't be charged, because even though such laws are insane, the people who press charges are not necessarily so. But you COULD be charged, and all in all they are very poor pieces of legislation.

Its common knowledge that more people died from the conditions than the extermination

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That is sure as hell not true. Preventing Klu Klux Klan members from inciting people to violence against blacks and therefore saving many lives is not a facist policy.

If the KKK comits a crime against a black man they should be punished. But no were in the american constitution does it say that expression certain opions is wrong

Originally posted by Napalm
The moment we restrict a facist is the moment we become facist ourselves

When the law restricts those that want to use their freeom of speech to use violence agaisn't others isn't consider facist. It just doesn't work that way Napalm.

the dilemma about tolerating intolerant organizations and opinions has always been a nice one

Originally posted by Napalm
Its common knowledge that more people died from the conditions than the extermination

"there half right in the actual exterminations there were very few>"

Is what you said. "Very few." Denying that there was mass widespread gassing is legally speaking Holocaust Denial. You could loose your livelighood with a statement like that in some places.

ok napalm, so if i purposely lock you in an empty meat locker and knowingly deprive you of clothing and sustinance...i am not attempting murder. and your death would not be my fault, but the fault of the conditions? is that where you are going with this?

Originally posted by Napalm
If the KKK comits a crime against a black man they should be punished. But no were in the american constitution does it say that expression certain opions is wrong

But in the LAW, it DOES say inciting a crime is wrong, and that is not a restriction of free speech.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
"there half right in the actual exterminations there were very few>"

Is what you said. "Very few." Denying that there was mass widespread gassing is legally speaking Holocaust Denial. You could loose your livelighood with a statement like that in some places.

Im not a nazi or anything Im just telling the truth

In your opinion. And as I say, that would be illegal in these places.

Originally posted by PVS
ok napalm, so if i purposely lock you in an empty meat locker and knowingly deprive you of clothing and sustinance...i am not attempting murder. and your death would not be my fault, but the fault of the conditions? is that where you are going with this?

I am not dening that hitlers crimes were wrong

Originally posted by Ushgarak
In your opinion. And as I say, that would be illegal in these places.

Yeah and It used to be illegal to let black people vote it dosent make it right

dont change the topic, im not calling you a nazi sympathiser, i am simply questioning your logic in your statement on holocaust deniers being partially correct.

Its common knowledge that more people died from the conditions than the extermination

Placing those people and allowing them to die under such conditions was also a part of the plan of extermination. When people endorse and create lethal conditions to kill off people, that is an act of extermination in itself, just much slower and crueler.

Originally posted by Napalm
Yeah and It used to be illegal to let black people vote it dosent make it right

I'm not SAYING it is right. My entire point is to DECRY these laws that make you expressing that opinion a criminal act. Do try and keep up!

hehe, this discussion has long past the usefulness 😛

...yes and as karma points out, the grave conditions were purposely structured to wear the people down and kill them. im sure hitler didnt care if they were all gassed or just dropped dead from exhaustion/dehydration/starvation/disease