Could the possible invasion of iran be america's downfall?

And if they are serious about it, they'll have all the info they need. They'll be working on it long in advance of any declaration

Originally posted by dean7879
u son of a *****
paranoid about what?

There won't be any member bashing here! If I catch anyone bashing another member this thread is getting close. And warnings will be issue.

And NO this is not your typical American that sensors other peoples opinions! No bashing means NO bashing!

It's not missing the point- the idea was advanced that attacking Iran could prove the downfall of the US as a superpower just as Germany or France attacking Russia was. And that idea is being throughly rebutted. The difficultites the US might have in an occupation are a different issue; for the time being I am smashing the idea that militarily defeating Iran would be any part of the problem.

so perhaps a new debate is needed?

could the occupation of iraq and iran be the downfall of the usa...something along those lines

No an attack on Iran wont be a downfall of the US as a superpower

That's just wishful thinking on your part, KD. I can't think of any apparent evidence that shows the US could not do it.

Ush at what point did I say the U.S. could not be victorious over Iran? I said that it will be more difficult than they think it will be. Funny thing is that a while ago I sauid that sure the U.S. will initially clobber the Iraqi forces, but then they'll have to deal with the worst gueruilla warfare that they've had to deal with in 30 years. Iranians will not run like Iraqis did because the Iraqis really didn't give a crap about dying for Sadam. This would be a different war, same sort of venue, but a different cast of characters.

As for apparent evidence, there is not alot of that to be found anywhere.

And I also said that this war would add onto already existing financial and diplomatic stresses the U.S. is experiencing. Do you actually think any country has unlimited amounts of money and goodwill?

well, lets just hope if we do go to war with iran,

You kill me!

The US has enough financing. More than enough. And the Diplomatic question is a non-starter.

The cost of a war with Iran would be more than the Capitol hill would tolerate

Originally posted by finti
then tell me why they do the death toll keep rising if they have such a bloody control of the situation

US cant do it alone, they need suport and those few who still suported the Iraqi war will not support a new war in the region. Why? because of the stability of the middle east aint stable at all and two many sparks might engulf the entire region into war.

America is just a bully towrds land who hasnt got a great military defence

What would the goals of invading Iran be? Everyone should probably discuss that a little further.

America's goals when invading Iraq were to a. Remove Saddam Hussein from power b. prove he had weapons of mass destruction.

The death toll keeps rising because America is sticking around to reestablish their preference of government in a country that is otherwise left with no government at all. If America stayed in Iran afterwards to establish a democracy...then yes, Iran has the potential to be much worst.

Also, I said that if an invasion happened between the two.....America would have to resort to a draft. In that case....I still stand by my statement that Iran would create little resistance.

America most certainly CAN do it all alone (they have the resources), but they WON'T. As clumsy and stupid as Bush seems, he's really not that stupid. He didn't get the coalition that he wanted, but he got just enough support to spread the blame around. I agree that no one will follow America to another war, and that is one of the main reasons why I don't believe a war will take place.

I hesistate to agree with that last comment, only because the vendetta in Iraq was personal....it was a coincidence that Iraq's military sucked. If they attack Iran...then YES, they are nothing but pathetic bullies....and that will be the day I'm ashamed to be an American. 🙁

They said that about World War II. The resources are there if the US wants to do it, is what I repeat. The only determining factor is IF the US wants to do it. There is no point saying they can't do it if they don't want to, that is self-evident.

Originally posted by WindDancer
There won't be any member bashing here! If I catch anyone bashing another member this thread is getting close. And warnings will be issue.

And NO this is not your typical American that sensors other peoples opinions! No bashing means NO bashing!

chill out
i was joking 🙂

Does everyone here WANT to see America fall? Good Lord! The anti-Americanism here is staggering.

America most certainly CAN do it all alone (they have the resources),

who is anti american?

I agree finz

Perhaps I should have pointed you to some of my earlier arguements in this thread when I said that there wouldn't be a war.

Everything we've been arguing about was in regards to the war actually happening.

If a war happend US would ponder the Irani forces. The resistance on the Iranian side would be much thougher then what they met in Iraq though due to the fact that Iran is more of a religious state, more fanatical than Iraq was.

The US covert operations in Iran are on behalf of Israel who is planning preemptive strikes against Irans nuclear facilities.

The US covert operations in Iran are on behalf of Israel who is planning preemptive strikes against Irans nuclear facilities.

Originally posted by dean7879
who is anti american?

You. And nearly everybody else on this thread.

Originally posted by Euripides
You. And nearly everybody else on this thread.

lol
yeah im anti american...whateva
id tell u if i was...