Euripides, nobody has wished bad fortune on the U.S., we are just discussing possible outcomes if they were to expand their current military theatre. And to believe that you are all powerful and that you can't fall apart as a nation is just ignorance. Romans thought that too and look what happened to them. The only way to secure your position is to realize that it can be lost.
As for you comment
They are very peaceful and stay out of global conflicts.
Canada is actually one of the first countries to jump into global conflicts, or at least the two most recent ones.
Originally posted by ARC Trooper 117
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That's what I mean..... 🙄 🙁What do you mean? It's fact. There's no skipping around it.
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Uh, we're in Afghanistan 'son. Cleaning up your country's mess.
We have WAY more troops in Afghanistan. What mess? The mission objective was accomplished. Dissemble the Jihad government and instill a democracy. All of it is done. The only other objective is to find the slippery rat called Osama. The Canadians are just there for good measure and added security.
Wow, what a bunch of pure American political-bull$hit! 😆
You invaded the country, ousted the....whatever their name is.....Taliban!....and left the U.N. to clean up the chaos that's over there. 😠
*Sighs*
You'll never understand....
And about the "That's what I mean....", I meant that's America's downfall: It's supposed and proposed superiority over ALL others.
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Euripides, nobody has wished bad fortune on the U.S., we are just discussing possible outcomes if they were to expand their current military theatre. And to believe that you are all powerful and that you can't fall apart as a nation is just ignorance. Romans thought that too and look what happened to them. The only way to secure your position is to realize that it can be lost.As for you comment
Canada is actually one of the first countries to jump into global conflicts, or at least the two most recent ones.
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This doesn't make sense, since we INTENTIONALLY stepped away from the whole Iraq/Iran situation......🙄
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Euripides, nobody has wished bad fortune on the U.S., we are just discussing possible outcomes if they were to expand their current military theatre. And to believe that you are all powerful and that you can't fall apart as a nation is just ignorance. Romans thought that too and look what happened to them. The only way to secure your position is to realize that it can be lost.As for you comment
Canada is actually one of the first countries to jump into global conflicts, or at least the two most recent ones.
Of course America will fall eventually. All countries will fall eventually. I never said they will never fall. I just said that they won't fall at this period in time. There's no credible presedence for that supposition.
Canada is very compassionate when it comes to global conflicts. They help out when they can. However by global conflicts I meant conflicts like Rwanda or something. Not WWI or WWII. However, they are the most vocal for a peaceful solution.
Originally posted by ARC Trooper 117
Wow, what a bunch of pure American political-bull$hit! 😆
You invaded the country, ousted the....whatever their name is.....Taliban!....and left the U.N. to clean up the chaos that's over there. 😠
*Sighs*
You'll never understand....And about the "That's what I mean....", I meant that's America's downfall: It's supposed and proposed superiority over ALL others.
You didn't even know the name of the enemy so that furthers my argument. We didn't "oust" anybody. We either killed them or imprisoned them. We stayed there after destroying the Afghan jihad and instilled a democracy. Afghanistan is now a democracy and for the first time in nearly 800 years women can actually vote. We are still there to ensure that it stays that way. The UN is there for added assistance and security.
You're incredibly ill-informed of the situation
America is the richest, most powerful country in the world. That's fact. There's no denying it. Does it mean we are better than everybody else? Of course not. That's just your ethnocentric prejudice against us.
Originally posted by ARC Trooper 117
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Oh, I'm all for and about WWI and WWII, because Canadians kicked some @$$ during those wars! 😈
Notice the "Americans" joined half-way through in both wars. 🙄
And we WON the damn thing. Please!
America was suffering from the Great Depression. America was a proverbial ghetto. America's people wanted the rest of the world to handle its own problems. Your plain ignorance of this fact is laughable.
When the Nazis beat France, America had no choice but to step in and win the war. American forces beat Germany (with the aid of Canadian forces) and bombed Japan. Without America, the world would have been f***ed.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Gee, now, if only you weren't professing ignorance by trying to make out that the fall of France had ANYTHING to do with American intervention...
When France fell, President Roosevelt finally said we had to go to war. France's fall had EVERYTHING to do with American intervention.
Roosevelt was always saying that, about the only person in the establishment who did. But the fact is, you didn't lift a military finger to protect France, or the UK after France fell, or make any armed intervention at all until Pearl Harbour. The Canadians, of course, were there way before you in defence of the Empire, and the war was won by the Russians.
Sorry... but France falling was bugger all to do with it.
A lot of you need to calm down.
A) Yes, the United States is heading toward Iran. If you disagree, please explain this: http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050126-045615-4690r
B) However, you are correct - neogtiations are under way. But the United States have already proven untrustworthy, specifically due to the UN incident, which may, and I stress may, have stopped the war altogether.
C) As for our "victory" and "success", if you believe these terms apply to the current situation, you are incorrect. To give you some examples as to why:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-1465375,00.html
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/breaking_news/10779337.htm
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-womosu314130685jan31,0,3929987.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines
D) And finally, yes, Canada did join the wars earlier and continues to play major parts in world military events. The most likely reason why there are more US Troops in this war is that this is a war started by the US. But maybe I'm crazy.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Roosevelt was always saying that. But the fact is, you didn't lift a finger to protect France, or the UK after France fell, or make any armed intervention at all until Pearl Harbour. The Canadians, of course, were there way before you in defence of the Empire, and the war was won by the Russians.Sorry... but France falling was bugger all to do with it.
You obviously have no knowledge of American history. America was in the middle of a Great Depression. America's people were living on the streets and were scavenging for food. The value of their dollar dropped to next to nothing. The Americans were dying of disease and malnourishment. America was a proverbial ghetto. American people did not want to do go to war. They were homeless and starving. Why the hell should they worry about the rest of the world. They were looking out for themselves. Roosevelt asceded to the people's wishes but when France finally fell, Roosevelt sent arms and weapons to Europe. He was highly criticized for this but he did it anyway. German and Japanese forces resented this and launched a sneak attack. When Pearl Harbour came, the American people finally supported Roosevelt's wishes.
France had everything to do with American intervention. Without it, the Pearl Harbour attack would never have happened and America would have stayed neutral.
Sorry...but France had EVERYTHING to do with it.
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.p...26-045615-4690r
The source is inaccurate and incredibly biased. It's a very liberal and peace-seeking (It's called WorldPeaceHerald for god's sake). The information is untrustworthy.
My knowledge of that period is in fact considerable and extensive. It so happens that the Great Depression affected the whole world. America's economy was far stronger than Europe's by the time war broke out, however.
The unwillingness of the Ameican people to go to war is well known to me, and why should they? The States were following an isolationist policy.
However, your total ignorance is being professed by saying Pearl Harbour would not have happened were it not for France's fall. That is total bilge. Japan planned that attack for ages ahead and totally irrelevant to events in France- it was caused by Japan/American tensions which were nothing to do with Europe.
If Germany had not declared war on the States, then France falling or otherwise, the total number of troops you would have sent to Europe would have been a fat zero. And as they did declare war on you, this would have occurred even of France had held.
Like I say, this is not said in the spirit of criticism... but it is a FACT. To say American involvement was due to the fall of France is simply untrue. For a whole year after the fall of France, the UK fought the Nazis alone. It is clear to anyone with a brain that therefore this issue was NOT the one that decided your involvement.