The Real Terror: The Rise of Xian Fundamentalism

"just as good christians choose to ignore the violent teachings in the bible, so do many good muslems ignore the violence in the koran."

i know what your saying, but i am not aware of any versus in the koran that say later that it is not right to kill. So they have the oppurtunity in their beliefs to justify murder. If you can find any lines later in the koran that says it was once said to cut unbelivers by the neck but now i tell you to love your enemy please let me know but i don't think its there.
I do not disagree either there are people in islam that are good loving people. I talked to one last week and we talked about both of our religeons and we were very respectfull towards eachother and ended the chat by saying we would pray for eachother. He was a good man.
But i am not going to blind myself and say that the koran does not condone murder and genocide. I can't lie to myself i have read the lines in there and it is quite clear. Though in 4 gospels christ makes himself quite clear about how he wants his followers to treat others and it is not with murder and hate

taken from http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/id-2545.html

Some critics say that the Koran mentions the concept of love only twice. In fact, the Book mentions the concept of love about a hundred times, if such statistics are really the essence of the message.

After declaring God's universality, the Koran describes God as "most Merciful, most Compassionate" (1:3). In fact, every single Surah except one begins with this declaration about the divine nature.

God is also known in the Scripture as "Full of Loving-Kindness" (11:90; 85:14). It is with the attribute of divine Love that the Koran most often seeks to directly create a relationship with humanity by encouraging those actions that bring God's love and discouraging those actions that extinguish God's love.

Without doubt, the Koran also mentions God's wrath for those who reject faith after clear signs have come to them, and upon those who are bent on spreading evil and corruption on earth. But, as Prophet Muhammad said while quoting God himself, "My Mercy prevails over My wrath."

But i am not going to blind myself and say that the koran does not condone murder and genocide. I can't lie to myself i have read the lines in there and it is quite clear.

When you read the entire Koran, get back to me. A follower of islam could easily quote passages from the bible and make you look like a hate filled individual. So if you are not truly going to be blind, then fully educate yourself.

my experience is that the christians follow what they seem fit, they change their interpretation of the bible all the time to justify what they do.

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
"just as good christians choose to ignore the violent teachings in the bible, so do many good muslems ignore the violence in the koran."

i know what your saying, but i am not aware of any versus in the koran that say later that it is not right to kill. So they have the oppurtunity in their beliefs to justify murder. If you can find any lines later in the koran that says it was once said to cut unbelivers by the neck but now i tell you to love your enemy please let me know but i don't think its there.
I do not disagree either there are people in islam that are good loving people. I talked to one last week and we talked about both of our religeons and we were very respectfull towards eachother and ended the chat by saying we would pray for eachother. He was a good man.
But i am not going to blind myself and say that the koran does not condone murder and genocide. I can't lie to myself i have read the lines in there and it is quite clear. Though in 4 gospels christ makes himself quite clear about how he wants his followers to treat others and it is not with murder and hate

well honestly... i dont know how to answer this. jesus says one thing, god says another.

i cant even figure out christianity, which i was raised on. anyone who would claim they have a full understanding from the beginning of the old testament to the end of the new testament is either lying or insane.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
When you read the entire Koran, get back to me. A follower of islam could easily quote passages from the bible and make you look like a hate filled individual. So if you are not truly going to be blind, then fully educate yourself.

actually i agree with you. I have read through parts of the koran but i admit i have not read the whole thing. I think i should and i think you are right. I have actually been meaning to but i have had college class and i have been trying to hit the gym more. But your right. I am going to make time to read the whole thing. And i will tell you what as well it will probably take awile but after i am done i will get back to you and honestly state wether i think the koran is clear or not if you should give mercy to unbelievers and not kill them.

Originally posted by WindDancer
Here is something I want to know. Why is Taiwan depending on the US to watch over them? What is this fear that America is sympathetic to China? Is Taiwan so defenseless that they need help in order to keep China from taking over?

Taiwan happens to be a rather small island. China happens to be the most populous nation on Earth. You do the math.

America preaches that it will help defend the democracy of any nation that wants it. Taiwan wants it, but the pressure from China is immense. China has hundreds of missles located about 100 miles away, aimed at Taiwan ready for the moment Taiwan makes direct moves to make it's independence 'official'.

As the economic power of China grows so to does the threat posed to Taiwan. However, as this threat grows American protection declines...It's not hard to figure out the reasons behind this.

Anyway, back to the topic...

finti...I understand that English isn't your first language, so I give you credit for your degree of fluency in it. However, you really need to try to comprehend what I have been typing a little more. Here is a little break-down for you:

You originally posted this:

Originally posted by finti
reading your stuff it is pretty obvious that it is chrisitains you aim at.

Then, I posted this:

Originally posted be Ou Be Low hoo
Need I remind you that words should be understood in the context they are used in? If I don't, then the 'Xian' term needs no further explanation. However, I feel I should remind you of your initial post to this discussion:

Then, you posted this AGAIN:

Originally posted by finti
point is one had to read it to understand what xian ment, it wasnt obvious all by itself

I am a native speaker, so my comprehension is pretty comprehensive! Your posts are contradictory, dull, repetitive and lack sense!

You are most welcome in this debate, but please try to be a little more coherent.

Originally posted by moviejunkie23
actually i agree with you. I have read through parts of the koran but i admit i have not read the whole thing. I think i should and i think you are right. I have actually been meaning to but i have had college class and i have been trying to hit the gym more. But your right. I am going to make time to read the whole thing. And i will tell you what as well it will probably take awile but after i am done i will get back to you and honestly state wether i think the koran is clear or not if you should give mercy to unbelievers and not kill them.

This is a noble cause, but you are blighted by the condition of your Xianity. Your faith in your religion will suppress the light that comes from others.

In my experience, Xians are the most hypocritical people in the world. It's a broad, broad generality, but I believe it to be true. I do have Xian friends and one of them happens to be the son of the guy who 'wrote' the Millenium Prayer that bloody Cliff Richards sang a few Xmas' ago! He's nothing like your average Xian, but all the others I have met are judgemental to the point of Crucifixion!

Your posts are contradictory, dull, repetitive and lack sense

The subject of the topic when looking at it together with all the ohter topics in the GDF the word xian in the headline does not make any sence at all.

One have to read your first post to figure out what you meant by xian.

DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE.

Originally posted by finti
One have to read your first post to figure out what you meant by xian.

So you are saying that it is bad that you have to read a thread to understand what it is about!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!

I think your sole purpose in this thread is to be ridiculous. Congratulations, you have achieved your goal!

So you are saying that it is bad that you have to read a thread to understand what it is about!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!

I think your sole purpose in this thread is to be ridiculous. Congratulations, you have achieved your goal!

Originally posted by finti
no what I said was that the word xian wasnt all that clear by itself, when I first encountered it I thought "now whats this about ancient chinese dynasty fundamentalists about"

couldnt let you take all that honor by yourself

At the first tilt of the rainbow, I thought you were being serious throughout this whole thread...Now, after withdrawing the shaded spectacles from my eye-bridge, I can notice the quantum irony of all your posts and your far-reaching intentions.

To this, I doth my hat and salute you.

I have already posted this once, but I feel I have to say it again.

Although I do find some of your posts both entertaining or insightful, I have to admit that the use of your word Xian for Christian is annoying. It is not a real word (except when used in context of the city of Xian) nor is it a recognised substitute for Christian (as Xmas is for Christmas). I don't know if you created this word and are now trying to make it hip or fashionable, but whatever your reason, it is not working.

It is not for a love of Christianity that this bothers me, it's just out of respect for basic communication and language skills.

Xian - A city of central China southwest of Beijing. The capital (221-206 B.C.) of the Qin dynasty, it is a major commercial center and the capital of Shaanxi province. Population: 2,872,539.

I have already posted this once, but I feel I have to say it again:

I really don't care what you think about the word. It's easily understood and if you don't like it, don't use it. Prescriptivism is never a honorable trait. Language changes over time, so move with the flow and don't try to plug a dam with a sponge.

To back this up, I've got my good friend, Chaucer here to offer us this: "In forme of speeche is chaunge."

As for the relativity of 'Xian' as a city, it is a rather moot point. You are translating a Chinese word using the English alphabet. There are many different systems of doing this such as Wade-Gilles, who would refer to the same city as 'Hsian'.

Xian is sooooo WIZARD!

Sometimes I feel we grow, but we never truly learn...

It's time all the fundamentalists of the world were put to bed...either that, or they are strapped to a paper airplane flying towards the sun.

A paper airplane flying towards the sun? LOL..Then they would meet the Son/Sun..