Tool Suck

"Have you ever heard Pink floyd?"

Yes.

"Its not possible to overrate Black Sabbath."

You're overrating them by saying that.

"And Tool borrows so much from Mahavishnu Orchestra, Rush and Pink Floyd, it's not even funny."

Danny Carey cites Neil Peart as one of his major influences but I don't think they ever listen to a record and try to put that style of playing into their music. Purely because they are too concerned with making music true to them, that pleases them, to base it on anything else. The way it should be. Not saying Pink Floyd haven't had an impact on them as people, but I don't agree that it's in the music.

"I don't get why people say they sound like Pink Floyd. I just don't hear it. I like them but I agree they are overrated on this site.. in the real world they aren't though."

I don't think they're overRATED on this site. When people refer to Maynard in seriousness as a God, it's a bit much. However that isn't detrimental to their talent. They are, in my opinion, as amazing as I claim they are. I don't think I overrate or overglorify them at all.

-AC

Originally posted by Fearnix
there not that original :/
a modern day rip of pink floyd

also Maynard is not that great a singer

Are you f'n kidding me? I would hardly call them a "rip-off". There's a difference between being influenced by and "ripping-off" a band's style of music. You think Tool sounds anything like Pink Floyd??? You need to have your ears checked, man. That or your head. The whole idea is pretty ridiculous.

And by the way, Maynard James Keenan is a much better vocalist than Roger Waters is, hands down.

It's all a matter of taste AC. If you like them to the point that most tool fans do they wont seem overrated to you. But to someone who isn't as big of a Tool fan they do seem to be overrated by people on this site. Don't get me wrong.. the two tool albums I have are great but not to the point that a lot of people say they are IMO. A band being overrated isn't really a concrete thing.. some people will find them overrated while others won't.

The influences from those bands I mentioned aren't exactly arguable...if you are listening at least.

That's opinion though and I agree. You not liking them is just opinion. You're not saying they aren't getting credit they deserve from the likes of me, you are just saying that you don't think they're that good. Which is fine.

But to say I am overrating the band isn't true. I say what I believe based on what I here.

-AC

Ok I can see why people say they have influences from bands like Pink Floyd and Rush but I can't see how people can say they are a Pink Floyd rip off.. they sound completely different.

And AC I do believe many people overrate them. If I'm not mistaken overrating a band is giving them more credit than deserved. Therefore if I feel they get more credit than they deserve than they are overrated in my opinion, and that can't be proven true or false cause it all falls down to opinion. I actually really like Tool I just find that I don't love them as much as their average fan. It seems like with that band to be a Tool fan means to be a Tool fanatic. I'm not quite there.

That's because when you truly get Tool, it means a lot.

No one is going to become fanatical over Oasis, unless they are mentally questionable.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't think they're overRATED on this site. When people refer to Maynard in seriousness as a God, it's a bit much.

Nobody on this site refers to Maynard seriously as a god. The thread about Maynard being god... Yeah, that was a joke, in case anybody hasn't figured it out yet. Don't get me wrong, he is very, very talented, but I don't seriously think that, and I sure hope nobody else thinks I do.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Nobody on this site refers to Maynard seriously as a god. The thread about Maynard being god... Yeah, that was a joke, in case anybody hasn't figured it out yet. Don't get me wrong, he is very, very talented, but I don't seriously think that, and I sure hope nobody else thinks I do.

I don't know how anyone would actually think that whole thing was serious....😕 I sure don't think that way, I was just goofing around like I almost always am.

FTR, I wasn't directly refering to you Revan.

"It seems like with that band to be a Tool fan means to be a Tool fanatic. I'm not quite there."

As Vic said, when you fully appreciate Tool and what they stand for, outside and primarily inside of music, it means more than what most bands have ever said. Dare I say all.

That's why people get pissed and view hardcore Tool fanatics as elitists, because to get what they truly say, you have to be at a certain level of intelligence. No idiot is gonna get what they are saying, no average joe. If you do and still don't appreciate what they are saying then what they are saying probably doesn't matter much to you. Which is opinion. But it matters to me and all the other people who think as highly of them as I do. Bands like System of a Down, A Perfect Circle etc, all the other bands I love are great musical influences and I love them. However Tool have done alot for me as a person outside of music. There have been times in my life when I've actually overcome life long fears as a result of their music and Maynard's lyrics, Death for one.

So I don't consider praising them as high as I do musically, an overrating.

-AC

Don't confuse intelligence with taste. In fact my friend is a boarder line genius and he likes Linkin Park and Eminem. I don't doubt for a second that he's more intelligent than me but I think he has some bad taste in music. But yeah they do have some great lyrics.

1st) Off Why the **** are people taking this thread seriously 😑

2nd) I like TOOL, Maynard is a great singer/songwriter and Justin is a great guitarist.

3rd) AC I would not say i have a high level of intelligence,Yet i get there lyric's

Justin is a great bassist, you mean 😉

"But yeah they do have some great lyrics."

I think Maynard is quite easily the best lyricist there is.

"AC I would not say i have a high level of intelligence,Yet i get there lyric's"

Maybe you do. Lots of people get what they want from the songs, which is of course the main point. Whether you get what they are intended to mean is a different matter.

"Don't confuse intelligence with taste. In fact my friend is a boarder line genius and he likes Linkin Park and Eminem."

Would you not say that someone as smart as your friend should not be falling for marketing plans such as Linkin Park and Eminem?

-AC

i love how this tool bash thread turned into more of a compromise and kinda of a positive thing

Tools lyrics are very very very deep depending on what kind of person you are...

in my mind there lyrics are like wheels within wheels within wheels within wheels

hope some of you got that
have you ever heard danny careys drum solo that is awesome

AC, like I said being smart has nothing to do with the music you like. If he listened to Eminem for his image that would be falling for the marketing plan, but if he generally likes his music than he isn't falling for anything, he just has what I would consider bad taste in music. I'm pretty sure he generally likes Eminem's music.. he only likes a few musical artists so it's not like he just likes anything thats popular.

i don't want to seem rude (as i generally always end up sounding irrelevant) but whats with all this "once you GET tool" crap? how do you know you've "got" tool. once you "get" the band do they send you an email to let you know you now know EXACTLY what they were on about? each person interprets something differently (post modernism is the area I'm heading with this), you might say you "get" Tool when what you've interpreted them as might be completely different to what the band were going for? this whole "getting of tool" thing seems really pretentious and snobby. are you picking up what i'm putting down?

"you might say you "get" Tool when what you've interpreted them as might be completely different to what the band were going for? this whole "getting of tool" thing seems really pretentious and snobby. are you picking up what i'm putting down?"

I already anticipated your reply in my post.

By "get" I mean understand what the band are saying, the subject matter they talk about. No average joe is gonna randomly know and understand the occult, philosophical and spiritual meanings beneath alot of Tool songs. They might get the jist of it or as I said, just get what they want out of it, even if it's not what the band intended, which is completely fine, infact I promote that sort of thing. However what I said was not pretentious nor snobby. If you can pull a random person over in the street and talk to them about subjective singular consciouness, mythological phenomena through astronomy, evolution into eternal beings and how the alignment of Saturn is said to have a gravitational pull on our lives, I'll be so bold as to say most to all of the people you pick out will say "Huh?".

A better way of putting it would be, unless you share the same interests in the subjects Tool deal with, you're probably not as likely to understand what they intention behind the songs are, which I said is fine. It wasn't a snobby remark. Fans who just listen to Tool fanatically off the back of what the songs mean to them, with no true grasp of the actual meaning of the song, are still fanatical Tool fans either way. Just saying that the real themes, the themes that change alot of Tool fans and what MAKES them so deeply fanatical, is the intricate messages that the band themselves intend to put out.

To be perfectly honest, I'm probably as tired of hearing people refer to Tool fans as snobby as you are of hearing them say anything about "getting" the band.

Fact of the matter is Tool are a very intelligent group of people who produce incredibly deep and intricate music while Maynard produces, I think, the best lyrics to be written. But if you wanna say that I'm wrong for proposing that you need intelligence to "get" Tool, I can go play a Tool album to any number of the general populace, more than likely safe in the knowledge that it will be lost upon them.

-AC

im sorry guys but you've got laugh at this.

what started out as a simple innocent joke on Fearnix' part has turned into a huge argument.

Tool do not suck, at least in my opinion. End of story.

Lets all put our guns down and not dwell on it. 🙂

Fearnix you really are evil.

It's just people discussing Tool. That's all, no huge arguement.

-AC