Originally posted by tabby999
i don't want to seem rude (as i generally always end up sounding irrelevant) but whats with all this "once you GET tool" crap? how do you know you've "got" tool. once you "get" the band do they send you an email to let you know you now know EXACTLY what they were on about? each person interprets something differently (post modernism is the area I'm heading with this), you might say you "get" Tool when what you've interpreted them as might be completely different to what the band were going for? this whole "getting of tool" thing seems really pretentious and snobby. are you picking up what i'm putting down?
Post-modernism? Care to be more specific? Intertextuality? Or was it used in the lazy sense.
I'm not talking about lyrical content, regardless of what anyone else is saying. Tool's music is highly complex, and it's not as easily 'gettable' as something disposable. Think fast food and gourmet food. If a taste is acquired, on first, second, who knows how many tastes, it is going to be different to the end destination.
Furthermore, the fact that something is initially inaccessible makes the effort feel a lot more rewarding. Personally I'd rather spend time with an album than listen to it, think it's ok, yet know it'll sound precisely the same every listen.
Nothing about the band sending you an e-mail, or equally flippant asides.
As Vic said, when you fully appreciate Tool and what they stand for, outside and primarily inside of music, it means more than what most bands have ever said. Dare I say all.
Hyperbole alert. What about Fugazi, Rage Against The Machine, Rage AGainst the Machine among contemporaries - not even going into the 60s and 70s.
I think Maynard is quite easily the best lyricist there is.
He's good, but to say he's the best? I don't think he'd be in my top five of the past two decades, to be honest.
"Hyperbole alert. What about Fugazi, Rage Against The Machine, Rage AGainst the Machine among contemporaries"
Rage mean alot to me also. What they said as a band were major statements and of course they had extreme importance but I'm referring to personal importance. Zack talking about the injustices in a part of the world that doesn't even effect me, is never gonna be as important on a personal level as Maynard talking about a subject that affects humanity. To me anyway.
"He's good, but to say he's the best? I don't think he'd be in my top five of the past two decades, to be honest."
But to say he's the best, what? I think he is because I don't believe any lyricist has matched the material he's wrote, coupled with the fact that no other band have lyrics that mean as much to me as Tool. Is Maynard's place in your lyricist list relevant at all to where I place him in mine? No. Whether you do or not really doesn't matter to me, if he was rock bottom in your list, I'd still rate him how I do.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Post-modernism? Care to be more specific? Intertextuality? Or was it used in the lazy sense.
do you know what post modernisim means? it means (just incase you or others dont know) that when people are presented with a form of media, each person takes in the media in a different way, desyphering it to mean different things. i was refereing not speciphicly to the lyrical content, nor the music, but the whole concept of "getting" tool. you yourself back my own argument up with this:
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Tool's music is highly complex, and it's not as easily 'gettable' as something disposable. Think fast food and gourmet food. If a taste is acquired, on first, second, who knows how many tastes, it is going to be different to the end destination. .
just then, you yourself have said that in the end destination is going to be different. How can more than one person "get" tool in the way described and be considered a "real" tool fan if each person ends up with a different message from the band?
Also, the whole "getting tool" question was more aimed at Alpha Centauri to begin with, as they have said it more than anyone else i've noticed
Originally posted by tabby999
do you know what post modernisim means? it means (just incase you or others dont know) that when people are presented with a form of media, each person takes in the media in a different way, desyphering it to mean different things. i was refereing not speciphicly to the lyrical content, nor the music, but the whole concept of "getting" tool. you yourself back my own argument up with this:just then, you yourself have said that in the end destination is going to be different. How can more than one person "get" tool in the way described and be considered a "real" tool fan if each person ends up with a different message from the band?
Also, the whole "getting tool" question was more aimed at Alpha Centauri to begin with, as they have said it more than anyone else i've noticed
Yes, I do know what post-modernism means, I studied it for a good while. It certainly doesn't mean that.
At no point did I disclaim a different message for different fans. Not sure where you pulled that from.
The end destination is different to the initial listen. Doesn't have to be uniform.
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
At no point did I disclaim a different message for different fans
i pulled it from here Vic, you use this as an analogy of for tool:
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Think fast food and gourmet food. If a taste is acquired, on first, second, who knows how many tastes, it is going to be different to the end destination.
Firstly, that's not what post-modernism is, it's a minor facet of it.
Secondly, I have explained the point you misunderstood, then re-misunderstood. Pointless posting it again so you can complete the hat trick. However read your own post: it doesn't back your argument. At no point does that say fans cannot gain a different message from the music.