I don't feel like quoting everything and responding to it so I'll just try to go off memory. Can you please explain to me what the difference is between you rating them higher than I would rate them and you overrating them. Obviously it wouldn't be overrating them to you, but how is that not overrating them to me?
I get why people say they are the best out there today.. because they are a very tight group and all their music is done very well instrumentally. I don't know if I "get" them on the same level as anyone else, and really it doesn't matter to me. Yes you can be overrated on technical ability but that's not the only way you can be overrated. People don't only claim Tool are very good at their instruments.
And their guitarist.. forget his name I think it's Adam Jones but I'm not sure.. is not one of the greatest guitarists and really doesn't have enough credibility to call himself that. Maybe that's just me, but he doesn't seem that great.
When I said songwriting I wasn't referring to their lyrics, I actually like a lot of Tool's lyrics save for a few songs. I was referring to the music. The actual songs.
EDIT: Also, thank you for responding in a respectful way. Though I may disagree with you in some cases, I also respect your opinion.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I don't feel like quoting everything and responding to it so I'll just try to go off memory. Can you please explain to me what the difference is between you rating them higher than I would rate them and you overrating them. Obviously it wouldn't be overrating them to you, but how is that not overrating them to me?
Ok, I'll explain it once more for the last time.
You need to realise the difference. You don't like them as much as the Tool fans here, correct? You like them though, right? Well...there IS a huge difference between us overrating the band, and us just liking them more. They aren't overrated just because we rate them higher than you do. Overrating is giving them accolades they do not deserve and to ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER they deserve the ones they get, you've agreed with me there. Tool fans on this board don't give them any accolade they don't deserve, although some go over the top with it, it's nothing unrealistic. You don't like them as much, that's fine. If you like Immortal Technique and I do too, but not as much, that doesn't mean you're overrating the man. It means you like him more than I do. If you still don't get it, sorry.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
I get why people say they are the best out there today.. because they are a very tight group and all their music is done very well instrumentally. I don't know if I "get" them on the same level as anyone else, and really it doesn't matter to me. Yes you can be overrated on technical ability but that's not the only way you can be overrated. People don't only claim Tool are very good at their instruments.
No, they don't. You're missing the point again so please, if you're not gonna pick it up, don't bother replying.
It really doesn't matter to you? Ok then cool. So then why label them overrated? Chances are that if you "got" them as much as me or other Tool fans, you'd agree with us. You don't though, why? Because we like them more. It's nothing to do with overrating.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
And their guitarist.. forget his name I think it's Adam Jones but I'm not sure.. is not one of the greatest guitarists and really doesn't have enough credibility to call himself that. Maybe that's just me, but he doesn't seem that great.
He is, factually in terms of technical ability. It's measurable and proveable.
As far as what he creates, well I don't know. If you don't like it that much, cool. It's some of the greatest guitar work there has been from a musical standpoint.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
When I said songwriting I wasn't referring to their lyrics, I actually like a lot of Tool's lyrics save for a few songs. I was referring to the music. The actual songs.
Yeah and so was I.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
EDIT: Also, thank you for responding in a respectful way. Though I may disagree with you in some cases, I also respect your opinion.
No worries.
-AC
Maybe overrated isn't the correct term, but I'm having trouble thinking of a better one to describe my sentiments. I just think that if you read a lot of the threads on this forum you'd get the idea that Tool is a the best thing that ever happen to music, and I obviously disagree with that. Not only because of how good people say they are, but because almost everyone besides me seems to agree that they are that good.
But I'm tired of arguing this point, and I really don't like to post negative things about Tool cause I actually quite like them and I know a lot of people here do too.
UK.
It makes no difference.
I know they're much more well known there, so I respect that your view will encorporate that. However, if you allow that to influence your view, it's silly.
I don't overrate Tool and I rate them about as high as anyone could possibly. Musically and technically they deserve every bit of praise they get.
-AC