Count Dooku vs Darth Vader
I wasn't sure either to post it here, or episode 2 or 3... Thought still, I think it would be a fair fight... Count Dooku wooped both, Obi Wan's a$$ and Anakins A$$ in a fight, easily. He would've defeated them with one hand. But when Anakin turned to the dark side, he became much more powerful. And after the lava pit scene, when he got his armor, he became much more durable. Yet is he still stronger then Dooku?
NO WAY!!! Sure Vader's armor made him more durable, but his suit is as heavy as hell!! He doesn't have the physical shape and agility that Count Dooku has. Vader can barely raise his lightsaber above his head!
And you saw Vader fight Luke in ROTJ, an UNTRAINED BOY. Luke totally OWNED Vader, especially after Vader mentioned Leia. When Luke was slashing at Vader with all his might, Vader was completely overwhelmed, he had no idea what to do. He was all confused and kept missing parries. So based on that, Dooku would hand the OT Vader his giant robotic @$$.
Originally posted by jedimaster2000
And you saw Vader fight Luke in ROTJ, an UNTRAINED BOY. Luke totally OWNED Vader, especially after Vader mentioned Leia. When Luke was slashing at Vader with all his might, Vader was completely overwhelmed, he had no idea what to do. He was all confused and kept missing parries. So based on that, Dooku would hand the OT Vader his giant robotic @$$.
Actually Luke WAS trained in the Empire Strikes Back and even in Return of the Jedi when he returned to Degobah to supposedly complete his training, Yoda told him he already had. Plus he proclaimed himself under the title Jedi quite often.
You need to also take into account that all Dooku did was lightning and throw stuff. Vader had a lot more power and his lightsaber was much cooler. The only reason Vader's parries got worse was because he was tired of fighting Luke for a heck of a lot longer than Dooku was taking Anakin and Obi Wan. However since Dooku was able to cowardly escape Yoda, but still surivive against him, and Obi Wan and Anakin at once, I give him props.
He began his training in Empire Strikes Back, where he trained with Yoda briefly, however he confronted Vader and stayed true to light side and himself in Cloud City. There he fought Vader several times, and pulled off some great demonstrations of force masterhood, like his force jump out of the carbonite chamber. He coordinated the rescue at Jabba's Palace, and used the force adequately on Endor.
He had plenty of experience, and Yoda told him that he had completed his training upon his return to Degobah in ROTJ.
When Luke faced Vader his training was complete.
Well it really depends on how you look at it. If you compare Luke to the previous Jedi who have had years and years of training, then you can't really say Luke's training was complete. But if you are referring to training as Luke's numerous adventures (without a master teaching him) prior to his final confrontation with Vader, then i guess you can argue that Luke completed his training.
It's just like when Obi-Wan said Darth Vader murdered Anakin Skywalker "from a certain point of view"
You and I just looked at it from a different point of view and therefore our opinions are different.
Ok, let's get the facts straight here.
First of all, Vader is a lot less powerful than Anakin- fact from GL
Second, Luke when we see him fight in ALL the films is only a half-trained boy- fact from GL. He does not even finish his APPRENTICESHIP until the end of ROTJ.
Thirdly, all the prequel era combatants are much better than the oriignal trilogy ones- fact from GL.
Fourthly, therefore, Dooku would thrash Vader totally and utterly. This is not opinion; it is fact.
Fifthly... this belongs in the EU section. Moving.