The Emperor wanted to capture Luke Skywalker...remember in ESB
From the original Empire Strikes Back....not the special DVD scene
VADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy -- Luke Skywalker.
VADER: Yes, my master.
EMPEROR: He could destroy us.
VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not
become a Jedi.
VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes. Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.
Originally posted by Darth Plagues
The Emperor wanted to capture Luke Skywalker...remember in ESB
From the original Empire Strikes Back....not the special DVD sceneVADER: What is thy bidding, my master?
EMPEROR: There is a great disturbance in the Force.
VADER: I have felt it.
EMPEROR: We have a new enemy -- Luke Skywalker.
VADER: Yes, my master.
EMPEROR: He could destroy us.
VADER: He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.
EMPEROR: The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not
become a Jedi.VADER: If he could be turned, he would become a powerful ally.
EMPEROR: Yes. Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?
VADER: He will join us or die, my master.
That conversation there says it all, vader asked luke to join him and when he refused he tried to kill him.
IF the Emperor and Vader are both worried about Luke being trained that says something.
Also, if Yoda believed that they could just train Luke as little as they did and still challenge the emperor and vader, then obviously he has more skill than we give him credit for.
Vader's armor was heavy sure, but with his affinity of the force and rage he could still slap dooku around HELLA
Originally posted by Darth_Nefarus
IF the Emperor and Vader are both worried about Luke being trained that says something.
Also, if Yoda believed that they could just train Luke as little as they did and still challenge the emperor and vader, then obviously he has more skill than we give him credit for.
Vader's armor was heavy sure, but with his affinity of the force and rage he could still slap dooku around HELLA
1. Vader and Sidious feared Luke because of what he was to become, NJO Luke, who would own OT Vader silly.
2. Sidious was interested in turning Luke to the dark side, which was the only reason why he didn't kill him (until the very end when Luke refused to turn to the dark side), but by that time Vader already relealized that he loved his son enough to give up being a sith lord, and saved him. Yoda didn't exactly send Luke to kill Vader and Sidious, but to turn his father back to the light. Sidious died because he underestimated the power of love between father and son. So it is impressive, but doesn't make him all powerful.
3. Vader is described by Lucas as a shell of his former self, or something to that effect. Dooku is a much better swordsman and can do a hell of a lot more dark side attacks that Vader, including force lightning, which is Vader's ultimate weakness. Dooku would own Vader while eating breakfast and reading a newspaper.
This thread is riduculous. Tyranus would pwn OT Vader. Vader lost to Luke. Tyranus had a draw with Yoda.
Now, PT, non-mechanical Vader vs. Tyranus would be a bit more even. But don't forget, Tyranus beat Obi-Wan and Obi-wan beat Vader. And don't using "Just because A>B>C doesn't mean A>C" because Tyranus didn't just barely beat Obi-Wan he beat Obi-Wan with relative ease.
The only catageory Vader even compares to Tyranus in is lightsaber skills and that's only ROTS non-mechanical Vader and Tyranus still wins in that category, no doubt of that.