Superman vs. Shazam! ( Captain Marvel)

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Shazam always relies on the Shazam trick. Why? Because that's what he needs. Ironically, that's what leads to his downfall even faster

Not always. His pure strength and endurance factor make him a match for Supes. Plus Marvel can use magically charged punches w/o even saying "Shazam!".

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not always. His pure strength and endurance factor make him a match for Supes. Plus Marvel can use magically charged punches w/o even saying "Shazam!".

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, that's only when they go into a slugfest. That's when Shazam has the advantage in damage output, but Superman's durability, speed, and techniques have been shown to be better. Not to mention, Superman still posses a few different abilities like HV, AB, and a few minor ones

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Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, that's only when they go into a slugfest. That's when Shazam has the advantage in damage output, but Superman's durability, speed, and techniques have been shown to be better. Not to mention, Superman still posses a few different abilities like HV, AB, and a few minor ones

I don't think his breath or vision based powers will help him too much against Marvel. Superman is a helluva lot more versatile than CM for sure, but if Superman is going to win against CM, he pretty much has to resort to a slugfest, in which case Marvel will have an advantage on him.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, that's only when they go into a slugfest. That's when Shazam has the advantage in damage output, but Superman's durability, speed, and techniques have been shown to be better. Not to mention, Superman still posses a few different abilities like HV, AB, and a few minor ones

Superman ADMITTED that cap has the advantage against him in h2h.

Superman also admitted when being possed by eclipso that cap can kill him in a single punch.

if this is just regular old superman than captain marvel has a good chance against superman since supes isnt invulnerable to magic and magic is what captain marvel is all about

So long as Cap isn't splitting the Power of Shazam two or three ways (which I'm assuming because most threads have each character at full health/strength), he should be able to score at the very least, a slight majority.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't think his breath or vision based powers will help him too much against Marvel. Superman is a helluva lot more versatile than CM for sure, but if Superman is going to win against CM, he pretty much has to resort to a slugfest, in which case Marvel will have an advantage on him.

Superman also admitted when being possed by eclipso that cap can kill him in a single punch.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
HV has shown to hurt CM, and beings far stronger. Same goes with AB, but it was never used on CM that I know off

I don't doubt his HV would hurt CM, but I doubt that will be a game winner for him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't doubt his HV would hurt CM, but I doubt that will be a game winner for him.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
It has in almost all their encounters. To say that his HV wont hurt is very stupid. He has hurt beings who are stronger then Cm

I never said his heat vision wouldn't hurt him. I just doubt that his HV would be his one thing that consistantly saves him from CM, especially considering CM's ability to match his speed and take the fight directly to Supes.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
HV has shown to hurt CM, and beings far stronger. Same goes with AB, but it was never used on CM that I know off

Superman also admitted that John>the Entire JLA

The difference between the statements is that Superman admit the advantage cap has over him in almost every fight that they have.

DC has gone out of their way to show Supes and Marvel as peers. If we go by feats, Supes wins. If we go by h2h showings between the two, Marvel wins. I'm saying the match could go 6/10 to either one.

^ I agree. While I personally think Marvel should take this more often than Superman, if anyone wins, it should probably be by a 6/10 at the most.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman also admitted when being possed by eclipso that cap can kill him in a single punch.

no he didn't.

Originally posted by carver9
The difference between the statements is that Superman admit the advantage cap has over him in almost every fight that they have.

no, he doesn't. facepalm

and HV has done far more than hurt CM. it would definitely work against Billy. Might not kill him, but it would do damage.

Originally posted by Badabing
DC has gone out of their way to show Supes and Marvel as peers. If we go by feats, Supes wins. If we go by h2h showings between the two, Marvel wins. I'm saying the match could go 6/10 to either one.

Good post

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not always. His pure strength and endurance factor make him a match for Supes. Plus Marvel can use magically charged punches w/o even saying "Shazam!".

Thats he did in jla...knocked him out in a few punches...sure the fight wouldnt play that fast but in the end thats what would happen.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I never said his heat vision wouldn't hurt him. I just doubt that his HV would be his one thing that consistantly saves him from CM, especially considering CM's ability to match his speed and take the fight directly to Supes.

It's pretty clear what you meant. As for it being deciding factor, it is, it can, it should be. Why? Superman has almost used it against CM, and it always effective. In KC(Alternative), Superman had CM one his knees. HV has been shown to hurt beings much stronger then CM so it would only be logically that it would hurt CM

The difference between the statements is that Superman admit the advantage cap has over him in almost every fight that they have.

I agree that CM wins this fight if they stand toe-to-toe and take hits. But it isn't. It's about them fighting to their full potential.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Funny, I recall you saying this last post
"I don't doubt his HV would hurt CM,"

It's pretty clear what you meant.