I think it would be a rather close fight but i do not however agree that just because its a full out no holding back fight that superman has the advantage.....i read all this about SM's HV, Cold breath and the like would be a decider well what about CM's Wisdom or magical lighting?...point is yea they are close and honestly the same level...but because of captains magic he happens to have that edge over supes.
And honestly, I think that DC acknowledge Captain Marvel as the fastest out of the two.
We have one statement (even though its none cannon) of superman saying that Captain Marvel has the speed to keep up with a all out running flash whereas he couldnt.
Then we have another iinstance where supes ask Captain Marvel AGAIN to keep up with the flash when they ran around the world and met becase supes wasnt fast enough.
I know we dont use none cannon material but I think Dc writers was making it obvious that cap is faster than Supes.
Originally posted by carver9
And honestly, I think that DC acknowledge Captain Marvel as the fastest out of the two.We have one statement (even though its none cannon) of superman saying that Captain Marvel has the speed to keep up with a all out running flash whereas he couldnt.
Then we have another iinstance where supes ask Captain Marvel AGAIN to keep up with the flash when they ran around the world and met becase supes wasnt fast enough.
I know we dont use none cannon material but I think Dc writers was making it obvious that cap is faster than Supes.
The only problem with this, is that you would also have to bring in Supes non-canon feats as well. Assuming you're talking about Justice, I have to admit, I was a huge fan of the story as well as the star treatment Captain Marvel got. I met Alex Ross once in Chicago and he admitted that CM is one of his favorite DC characters of all time and he had a blast working with him. Personally, I think CM should get the same level of respect and the like in mainstream DC continuity as well.
Originally posted by carver9
And honestly, I think that DC acknowledge Captain Marvel as the fastest out of the two.We have one statement (even though its none cannon) of superman saying that Captain Marvel has the speed to keep up with a all out running flash whereas he couldnt.
Then we have another iinstance where supes ask Captain Marvel AGAIN to keep up with the flash when they ran around the world and met becase supes wasnt fast enough.
I know we dont use none cannon material but I think Dc writers was making it obvious that cap is faster than Supes.
- The arc is called Justice, where supposedly, CM is faster then Flash, but that's is non-canon, and it can't be used.
- It's not pretty clear that CM is faster. It actually the opposite. Superman has been shown to be faster. His feats prove that.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Carver STOP twisting what was said! It's considered trolling- The arc is called Justice, where supposedly, CM is faster then Flash, but that's is non-canon, and it can't be used.
- It's not pretty clear that CM is faster. It actually the opposite. Superman has been shown to be faster. His feats prove that.
You must didnt see the part where I said that its non canon so I cant use it.
I also said that since it has been brought up so many times by dc writers in story's about cap speed being>supermans then I'm JUST SAYING (could be wrong) that they might think that Cap speed >> Superman speed.
Originally posted by carver9
And honestly, I think that DC acknowledge Captain Marvel as the fastest out of the two.We have one statement (even though its none cannon) of superman saying that Captain Marvel has the speed to keep up with a all out running flash whereas he couldnt.
Then we have another iinstance where supes ask Captain Marvel AGAIN to keep up with the flash when they ran around the world and met becase supes wasnt fast enough.
I know we dont use none cannon material but I think Dc writers was making it obvious that cap is faster than Supes.
i was actually just searching for that issue because i couldn't remember the name....
in JSA the return of hawkman black adam and jay garrick run side by side and BA starts to stumble at mach 500 and that was because jay started to steal his speed....point is that BA and CM should be right at the same speed so while its not pure proof of CM's top speed....it is a good measuring stick
so imo Speed wouldn't matter for much here....more to the point speed blitzing
Originally posted by carver9
You must didnt see the part where I said that its non canon so I cant use it.I also said that since it has been brought up so many times by dc writers in story's about cap speed being>supermans then I'm JUST SAYING (could be wrong) that they might think that Cap speed >> Superman speed.
Where have the DC authors bring such stuff up? Please bring proof when making those claims.
Well Cap also has better regen than Superman. Cap and Superman have been crafted over the years by DC to be the ultimate vs scenario. There are so many issues and advantages disadvantages that it becomes difficult to tell who would win.
If Captain Marvel's magic advantage were really such a game-breaker as far as fighting Superman is concerned then how come every fight between them has been a stalemate or a narrow victory after a hard fought battle?
Exactly. I hate the fact that some people think Superman is toast against magic right off the bat. He isn't. He has fought magic beings, he has fought magic, and yes he is weak to it, but he has ways of overcoming it. CM is not that power when it comes to magic. We have seen Superman get hit by a Skyfather level beings magic over and over again and it wasn't a game breaker.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Exactly. I hate the fact that some people think Superman is toast against magic right off the bat. He isn't. He has fought magic beings, he has fought magic, and yes he is weak to it, but he has ways of overcoming it. CM is not that power when it comes to magic. We have seen Superman get hit by a Skyfather level beings magic over and over again and it wasn't a game breaker.
I have debated against this for the longest, magic isnt the deciding factor in this battle because Superman can take it. I just think that cap is>Superman and Thor and Wonder woman.
Again, to much on panel statements (even though it non cannon) that makes me believe this.
Originally posted by carver9
I have debated against this for the longest, magic isnt the deciding factor in this battle because Superman can take it. I just think that cap is>Superman and Thor and Wonder woman.Again, to much on panel statements (even though it non cannon) that makes me believe this.
CM never defeated WW. In fact, he was at best able to stalemate her. Nothing more.
You can't argue that Superman has better speed, more powers, better fighting techniques. Durability, Strength can be debate to be at most EVEN, not better. Only Superman can be better because of feats. By statements, they are the equals
Originally posted by xJLxKing
What are you talking about.CM never defeated WW. In fact, he was at best able to stalemate her. Nothing more.
You can't argue that Superman has better speed, more powers, better fighting techniques. Durability, Strength can be debate to be at most EVEN, not better. Only Superman can be better because of feats. By statements, they are the equals
Why are you bringing up Wonder woman when an enraged Supes got defeated by her?
Then we also have statements where it was mentioned that wonder woman reflexes is>Superman.
Then we have showings where WW fought amazo to a stand still, the same amazo that dropped Superman in two panels.
Then we have showings of WW stalemating AND taking punches from an AMPED Konvikt, the same Konvikt that wasnt as powerful as the Konvikt Wonder woman fought, that ONE SHOTTED him.
Using wonder woman isnt a good strategy for debate when her showings against people is just on another level sometimes.
Lets not even bring up Superman merging with Doomsday and Diana was stomping it.