Superman vs. Shazam! ( Captain Marvel)

Originally posted by Validus
I don't care what it's been classed at. The simple fact is that it's never worked on Billy. Why should I disregard that for this super duper version of HV we've never seen?

Superman beats CM 6/10. CM is fast but he is nowhere near the speed of Superman as can be proven by the lack of feats.

Originally posted by Validus
I don't care what it's been classed at. The simple fact is that it's never worked on Billy. Why should I disregard that for this super duper version of HV we've never seen?

😕 Although we havent seen what can be said as the full power of the HV we have seen it used for great feats such as powering a planet.

Originally posted by Validus

The lightning can strike intangible beings. Billy controls whether the lightning itself is tangible or intangible.

That's not what I mean. If Superman goes invisible, that would give Superman a MAJOR advantage and that convinces me that he would get 5.5/10 on Billy. There's no way Supes loses to CM 9/10, whether you're siding with Captain Marvel or not.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Was Superman trying to harm Billy? That's something to think about.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Superman beats CM 6/10. CM is fast but he is nowhere near the speed of Superman as can be proven by the lack of feats.

Superman also used his hv to successfully power Jor-El?s planet-moving ion engines. The planet was supposed to be 16x larger than Earth.

All of this under a red sun!

Originally posted by batdude123
That's not what I mean. If Superman goes invisible, that would give Superman a MAJOR advantage and that convinces me that he would get 5.5/10 on Billy. There's no way Supes loses to CM 9/10, whether you're siding with Captain Marvel or not.

Originally posted by Validus
😕

If Supes unleashed a full does of hv I don't think Billy could handle it. Thor barely could handle a average does of hv.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Out of all the times Supes used his hv on Billy I don't really think he was trying to actually harm him.

If Supes unleashed a full does of hv I don't think Billy could handle it. Thor barely could handle a average does of hv.

Originally posted by Validus
Marvel's fast enough to see him.

Marvel is fast enough to see nothing?

Originally posted by batdude123
Marvel is fast enough to see nothing?

Originally posted by Validus
That's all hypothetical. All I can go on is what I see. It'd be like me saying Cap takes Superman to another dimension and leaves him there which he can do.

Well, imo they both take 5/10 or Supes takes 5.5/10.

Originally posted by Validus
Except he isn't truly invisible. Just a byproduct of his speed.

Well how do you know CM would be able to see Superman at all? That's also speculation. BUSTED!!!!!!! 💃 😛

imo opinion it would go 5/10 with maybe 5.5/10 going CMs way. Magic is a slight edge, and would help CM. CM was able to keep up with the flash in an issue, so speed isnt that much of an issue. Maybe he isnt as fast as Supes or Flash, but he is fast enough to deal with them.

If Supes unleashed a full does of hv I don't think Billy could handle it. Thor barely could handle a average does of hv.

And we know it was average because?

Originally posted by olympian

Prove it was average.

The burden of proof its yours Snoop, it was you who made the claim. You dont pass the hot potato because you cant or dont know how to answer.

But because im simply better, i dont see how it would be an average dose by the simple fact that in the context of the story they werent holding back.

Its stupid that any "anyone" would be holding back in the decisive figth that would settle the destiny of theyr own universes. A battle that as was showed, let them tired and some barely able to stand.

So what proof you have that it was?

Originally posted by olympian
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Originally posted by olympian

Prove it was average.
Prove it wasn't."

The burden of proof its yours Snoop, it was you who made the claim. You dont pass the hot potato because you cant or dont know how to answer.

But because im simply better, i dont see how it would be an average dose by the simple fact that in the context of the story they werent holding back.

Its stupid that "anyone" would be holding back in the decisive figth that would settle the destiny of theyr own universes. A battle that let them tired and some barely able to stand.

But you will ignore that because you didnt read it, you simply looked at the pretty pictures.

BLA BLA BLA! 😆 (That would have been much easier)

Originally posted by olympian
The burden of proof its yours Snoop, it was you who made the claim. You dont pass the hot potato because you cant or dont know how to answer.

But because im simply better, i dont see how it would be an average dose by the simple fact that in the context of the story they werent holding back.

Its stupid that "anyone" would be holding back in the decisive figth that would settle the destiny of theyr own universes. A battle that as was showed, let them tired and some barely able to stand.

So what proof you have that it was?

I understand what you are saying. I agree.... up to a point. Whether the hv was full-powered or not is pure speculation. Imo, it wasn't a full-powered heat blast based on passed feats that he has accomplished with it. Such as covering an entire planet and powering up Jor-Els machine which was 16 times the size of earth all under a red sun. The situation was there, however the feats that Superman has had with his heat vision would tell us otherwise.

According to Busiek neither of them went all out in that story. May not make sense but a fact is a fact.

Originally posted by Validus
According to Busiek neither of them went all out in that story. May not make sense but a fact is a fact.

And that answers that. ✅