Superman vs. Shazam! ( Captain Marvel)

"It's easy to reply to your post.

BLA BLA BLA! (That would have been much easier)"

Well, it wasent hard was it? If you dont know how to answer, dont be shy. You can just tell, the other kids wont beat you.

You can just admit that you didnt read it, that you just looked at the pretty pictures.

But not even THAT probably happened. because you somehow missed Thor and Superman getting back up together after they wer knocked out.

😆

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"According to Busiek neither of them went all out in that story. May not make sense but a fact is a fact."

Your probably referring to if they used all theyr powers. The answer is a obvious no. But the ones they used werent used at full?

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"Whether the hv was full-powered or not is pure speculation. Imo, it wasn't a full-powered heat blast based on passed feats that he has accomplished with it. Such as covering an entire planet and powering up Jor-Els machine which was 16 times the size of earth all under a red sun. The situation was there, however the feats that Superman has had with his heat vision would tell us otherwise."

And what if in Busieks mind Thor can take those.

Better yet. What if in Busieks mind the Hv isent all that powerful. Writers arent all of the same opinion.

Moreso i dont even enfer the possibility that it was the most powerful HV supes used EVER just because he wasent holding back.

But saying it was an average or a simple HV blast its scretching it IMO.

Originally posted by olympian
"It's easy to reply to your post.

BLA BLA BLA! (That would have been much easier)"

Well, it wasent hard was it? If you dont know how to answer, dont be shy. You can just tell, the other kids wont beat you.

You can just admit that you didnt read it, that you just looked at the pretty pictures.

But not even THAT probably happened. because you somehow missed Thor and Superman getting back up together after they wer knocked out.

😆

Anyways Batdude already said why it wasn't a full dose of hv.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
imo opinion it would go 5/10 with maybe 5.5/10 going CMs way. Magic is a slight edge, and would help CM. CM was able to keep up with the flash in an issue, so speed isnt that much of an issue. Maybe he isnt as fast as Supes or Flash, but he is fast enough to deal with them.

that sounds about right to me as well. and val has a very VALid (heheh) point and it's one i've mentioned before -- cm DOES have an advantage on supes while supes has no advantage against cm. i personally do not buy the whole invisibility angle. it is speed alone that gives him this apparent ability (which has only very rarely been used . . .) and cm is certainly fast enough to perceive and counter supes own speed. the advantage i've always given supes is his 'will to win'. this would come down to a fist fight and both have shown the ability to damage the other. i've always thought supes had the more impressive durability feats, but still, it is very close.

as is this fight. and it is likely it always will be.

ps- what has gotten val's dander up?? 😱 battling the whole superman brigade alone (and more than holding his own, of course! 😉 )?? wow . . . this might be the first time i've seen val in this deep a debate. I LIKE IT! (even though i could have sworn it was val who recounted the few times where supes actually was beating cm or was getting the better of him . . . 😕 )

anyway -- GO VAL!! 😄

"Thor was knocked out by one guy. Supes was knocked out by....what 5? After being exhausted from knocking Thor out!"
.

You dont even know what you post in other threads ❌

You simply claimed Thot never got up. Then claimed the situation of both wasent the same when we see both being ko and not getting up rigth away.

But somehow you still act like its not what is in the book.

Oh and about the figth. Simply to not get too much off topic, its a tossup. They dont have a significant advantage over the other to take the majority.

Originally posted by leonidas
ps- what has gotten val's dander up?? 😱 battling the whole superman brigade alone (and more than holding his own, of course! 😉 )?? wow . . . this might be the first time i've seen val in this deep a debate. I LIKE IT! (even though i could have sworn it was val who recounted the few times where supes actually was beating cm or was getting the better of him . . . 😕 )

anyway -- GO VAL!! 😄

What I was saying prior to this thread is that I believe Superman is more powerful than CM but CM has the advantage on him due to being a creature of magic.

Originally posted by Validus
bloogen

What I was saying prior to this thread is that I believe Superman is more powerful than CM but CM has the advantage on him due to being a creature of magic.

What am I missing? Does magic mean automatic loss?

rifle jockey raygun

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You say Superman is more powerful. Then you say he has no advantages over CM.

What am I missing? Does magic mean automatic loss?

"Captain Marvel's powers are based in magic. Toe to toe, he has the advantage."

bloogen

Originally posted by olympian
The burden of proof its yours Snoop, it was you who made the claim. You dont pass the hot potato because you cant or dont know how to answer.

But because im simply better, i dont see how it would be an average dose by the simple fact that in the context of the story they werent holding back.

Its stupid that any "anyone" would be holding back in the decisive figth that would settle the destiny of theyr own universes. A battle that as was showed, let them tired and some barely able to stand.

So what proof you have that it was?

Well i dont know if it might be proff enough for you but it has been shown numerous times in the comics that when supes unleashes a fearsome dose of heatvision the beams angle and width increase. The HV he threw at thor wasnt that large in width and size so therefore we can safely assume it wasnt an all out HV

Supes has an entire range of powers that CM does not. Those are a huge advantage. His senses as a whole are on a different level, and allow him to figure out things Captain Marvel couldn't dream of coming up with. His brain activity as a whole is more complex. Heat Vision, Superbreath/arctic breath...

I do believe Cap is every bit as strong and fast Supes [near immunity to magic is a nice touch to boot!].. . . until Supes stops pulling punches. There's a reason that when shit hits the fan, Supes saves the day, and not Captain Marvel. He simply leagues up when he needs to and The Big Red Cheese gets lost in the dust.

Originally posted by Validus
Something like that. His magical powers offset any power advantage Superman MIGHT have over him.

"Captain Marvel's powers are based in magic. Toe to toe, he has the advantage."

bloogen

Originally posted by Validus
bloogen

curse you large jockey -- why won't you die!!!??????????????????????????

crybaby

Originally posted by snoopdogg
But he's never had the advantage toe to toe. CM usually is giving all he has to beat Supes to prove he is Supes equal. And Supes just plays the game.

Originally posted by Validus
Something like that. His magical powers offset any power advantage Superman MIGHT have over him.

"Captain Marvel's powers are based in magic. Toe to toe, he has the advantage."

bloogen

And then he ended up schooling him in that fight. 💃

"Well i dont know if it might be proff enough for you but it has been shown numerous times in the comics that when supes unleashes a fearsome dose of heatvision the beams angle and width increase. The HV he threw at thor wasnt that large in width and size so therefore we can safely assume it wasnt an all out HV"

And those got wider because of what? The target was bigger? far away from him?

And im not even enfering that it was the most absolute powerful he has done or "could", just that it wasent a low or average blast in that situation.

since Thor has been stated to hold back his strength does that means he didnt punched Superman for real? Wer they average punches only?

In the way the story was written and that specific situation of "either we win or wer history" it doesnt look like it.

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"But he's never had the advantage toe to toe. CM usually is giving all he has to beat Supes to prove he is Supes equal. And Supes just plays the game."

In that figth who ended with a bloody nose?

And who was holding back the whole match when facing a Eclipso Superman?

Originally posted by Juntai
Supes has an entire range of powers that CM does not. Those are a huge advantage. His senses as a whole are on a different level, and allow him to figure out things Captain Marvel couldn't dream of coming up with. His brain activity as a whole is more complex. Heat Vision, Superbreath/arctic breath...

I do believe Cap is every bit as strong and fast Supes [near immunity to magic is a nice touch to boot!].. . . until Supes stops pulling punches. There's a reason that when shit hits the fan, Supes saves the day, and not Captain Marvel. He simply leagues up when he needs to and The Big Red Cheese gets lost in the dust.

hmm, i'm not sure i buy the old 'supes holds back' angle. would you say he was holding back against wonderwoman while under what-the-hell's-his-name's control? didn't seem that way. he also admitted to not holding back against black adam recently.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm not sure i buy the old 'supes holds back' angle. would you say he was holding back against wonderwoman while under what-the-hell's-his-name's control? didn't seem that way. he also admitted to not holding back against black adam recently.

Supes has said many times he does not kill. And that is a weakness.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm not sure i buy the old 'supes holds back' angle. would you say he was holding back against wonderwoman while under what-the-hell's-his-name's control? didn't seem that way. he also admitted to not holding back against black adam recently.

KO is a win on the forum, you know that right?

Like I said, read most any decent sized plotline, and see who saves the day and who watches going "he's the greatest! *sighs dreaminly*" from the sideline, once the shit hits the fan.

"hmm, i'm not sure i buy the old 'supes holds back' angle. would you say he was holding back against wonderwoman while under what-the-hell's-his-name's control? didn't seem that way. he also admitted to not holding back against black adam recently."

Max.

And he wasent holding back Imo. He went in a murder rampage when he saw WW as DD killing Lois.

WW strangly as it may sound, was stated to barely holding back. At least in some parts of the figth.

[QUOTE=6696376]Originally posted by olympian
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And those got wider because of what? The target was bigger? far away from him?

And im not even enfering that it was the most absolute powerful he has done or "could", just that it wasent a low or average blast in that situation.

Okay fair enough i think we can agree that it wasnt supes Full powered HV and perhaps it wasnt an average one either but it certainly was not all he had.