General Grievous vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
Before he flipped over and chopped him on half.

Maul beat him...then beat himself with his arrogance....a trait common to the new generation of jedi.

And Qui-Gon had more knowledge of the force than mace did....he found a path towards immortality and didn't confine himself to understand one aspect of the force like Mace did. Qui-GOn was a rebel in the Jedi community, that's why he never made it to the council.

That is why in the OT the way of learning the force evolved - because of Qui-Gon, Yoda became his padawan learner during ROTS. Qui-Gon taught both Obi-Wan, who has done some azaming work and the great Yoda. Mace has a bald head and a purple lightsaber...

What I am saying is this: Maul would have become extremely powerful if he lived another 10 years. Points:

1. He was already the best warrior in the galaxy and killed 4 Jedi (3 others right before TPM)

2. In Sidious eyes was worthy enough to dedicate 20 years of mentoring, which shows that Sid thought he would become more powerful than he, as many Sith sought stronger apprentices.

3. Mace is overrated! Sid was toying with him in ROTS to get Anakin to turn. Imagine a Maul with 15 more years dueling with Mace....yes Mace would be toast!

Oh my good lord... For one, Maul is DEAD! He isn't gonna live another ten years, because Obi wan chopped him in half, okay? For second, Sidious was toying with no one, Mace knocked him down and was ready to seal his fate when Anakin decided to plop in the room and chop his hands off like a cheap bastard. I guarentee if Mace and Anakin got in a fair fight, Anakin would have met his fate. But instead, Mace got his ass launched 50 feet out of a damned window. Maul was not the best warrior in the galaxy! That is such an overstatement! And you continue to miss the point. Maul with 15 years? HE IS FOCKING DEAD! And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.

Originally posted by LordSorgo
Oh my good lord... For one, Maul is DEAD! He isn't gonna live another ten years, because Obi wan chopped him in half, okay? For second, Sidious was toying with no one, Mace knocked him down and was ready to seal his fate when Anakin decided to plop in the room and chop his hands off like a cheap bastard. I guarentee if Mace and Anakin got in a fair fight, Anakin would have met his fate. But instead, Mace got his ass launched 50 feet out of a damned window. Maul was not the best warrior in the galaxy! That is such an overstatement! And you continue to miss the point. Maul with 15 years? HE IS FOCKING DEAD! And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.

read carefully before responding...seriously. This is all a WHAT IF forum. About GG vs. maul....Maul would win.

Now someone said GG would lose only because Mace crushed his chest, imagine how Maul would fare if Mace crushed his chest.

My response: GG and Mace met during the Clone Wars. Both of their powers are greatly exaggerated in the cartoon. But GG has no strength with the force therefore was not able to force block anything. Maul if faced Mace during the Clone wars would have been 10 years older with even more power and skill...considering he has defeated so many jedi already 10 years before, he would beat Mace in a very awesome duel.

This is all HYPOTHETICAL. Of course Maul was killed, he had to be....he was too powerful, too arrogant, and would have interfered with future storylines....he is the James Dean of Sith

And the whole Mace vs. Sidious thing: Mace is a very strong Jedi but he is not as strong with the force as Yoda. Sid planned the whole thing, why else would he eleminate the 3 other Jedi Masters and toy with Mace. He knew that Anakin would disobey Mace and go anyway, and he knew that if he beat Mace while Anakin walked in the door, he would have to face both of them....but if Anakin was given a choice...a crucial choice to pick his love for Padme or the Jedi Council (who have been frustrating him since TPM) it would be imperative to turn him. Sid is truly the epitome of the ideal Sith...cool, calculating, sectretive, and decieving.

Sidious got lucky. Your giving him too much credit because he didn't know all that shit.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
Sidious got lucky. Your giving him too much credit because he didn't know all that shit.

All Siths have their special talent, Sids was to forsee events and manipulate people and outcomes to benefit himself.

I mean this guy planned on creating the Clone Wars, becoming Chancellor, AND turning Anakin.

He knew Mace was coming!!! ANakin told Sid he was telling the Jedi Council

I'm pretty sure in the movie he said that Dooku had "showed him some things". Was GG a jedi before he got axed and turned into a droid?
He used Grievous. To long of a story to tell, you can read Labrinth of Evil to get an entire background on Grievous. He was never a Jedi and can't use the Force.
I know you were just joking, but you guys DO know the reason GG is coughing is because Windu crushed his chest right?
This is not true. George Lucas says he had Grievous cough to show that he wasn't a droid. It being because Mace kicked Grievous is a rumor that nearly all fans now believe to be true. Truthfully Mace never crushed GG's chest. That's the microseries. labrinth of Evil contridicts the Microseries and, I hate to tell you, Labrinth of Evil is more official, more canon.
Ok, for one, a double bladed lightsaber is the cheapest creation since the nuclear warhead.
How, tell me, how is a double bladed lightsaber cheap?
for seconds, If you listen closely or if your not retarded, on episode 3 general grievous TELLS Kenobi that Dooku trained him.
1. Don't call me retarded you stupid dumbass! 😠
2. I kiow Dooku trained GG! But he did not do it on spare time!
And sure, he was a weapon of the sith, but he was like an Assassin, as most apprentices are like. They get sent out to kill people.
Maul was not trained to sneak up on Jedi. he was trained purely to do whatever Sidious told him to and was trained primarily in fighting. If you could please tell me where you heard he was supposed to sneak up on Jedi I would appreciate it.
And anyone with half decent training doesn't need four sabers to kill a whole bunch of jedi. Look at Anakin in the Jedi library!
Yeah, but using four lightsabers helps, espically if you don't have the useful ability to use the Force. Anakin couldn't use 4 lightsabers because
A. he only has 2 arms
B. he was trained to fight with 1
I can understand you like Maul. He's cool as hell, i agree. But you're going WAY too far with the "Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced" thing. Please tell me you don't really believe that.
Mace'd beat Maul if they fought in TPM, but, if Maul had lived to fight in the Clone Wars, he would have been strong enough to defeat Windu.
And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.
Mace did live 13 years later than Maul. If Maul and Grievous switched roles Grievous would be dead and Maul would be the Sith Lord all through the OT.

Now for my stand on Maul vs. Mace: I heard Maul was 22 in TPM. That's the same age Anakin was in ROTS. GL says Anakin was as strong as Sidious. That maeans he was at 1/2 his potential, since his potential is twice the power of Sidious. Maul probably progressed the same way as Anakin, meaning he would be at about 1/2 his potential. Can you imagine Maul if he were twice as strong as he was in TPM? Then I think he'd be stronger than Sidious.

Now for my stand on Maul vs. Mace: I heard Maul was 22 in TPM. That's the same age Anakin was in ROTS. GL says Anakin was as strong as Sidious. That maeans he was at 1/2 his potential, since his potential is twice the power of Sidious. Maul probably progressed the same way as Anakin, meaning he would be at about 1/2 his potential. Can you imagine Maul if he were twice as strong as he was in TPM? Then I think he'd be stronger than Sidious. [/B]

That math seems wrong considering Anakin was the chosen one. Don't get me wrong Maul would've been very strong but I don't think he would have progressed as fast as Anakin. Anakin could've become a Jedi Master in less than 10 years I'd say and I don't think Maul could do that. If he'd have survived TPM then we would've become a badass but eventually been betrayed by Sidious. That actually should've happened.

Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]I'm pretty sure in the movie he said that Dooku had "showed him some things". Was GG a jedi before he got axed and turned into a droid?
He used Grievous. To long of a story to tell, you can read Labrinth of Evil to get an entire background on Grievous. He was never a Jedi and can't use the Force.
I know you were just joking, but you guys DO know the reason GG is coughing is because Windu crushed his chest right?
This is not true. George Lucas says he had Grievous cough to show that he wasn't a droid. It being because Mace kicked Grievous is a rumor that nearly all fans now believe to be true. Truthfully Mace never crushed GG's chest. That's the microseries. labrinth of Evil contridicts the Microseries and, I hate to tell you, Labrinth of Evil is more official, more canon.
Ok, for one, a double bladed lightsaber is the cheapest creation since the nuclear warhead.
How, tell me, how is a double bladed lightsaber cheap?
for seconds, If you listen closely or if your not retarded, on episode 3 general grievous TELLS Kenobi that Dooku trained him.
1. Don't call me retarded you stupid dumbass! 😠
2. I kiow Dooku trained GG! But he did not do it on spare time!
And sure, he was a weapon of the sith, but he was like an Assassin, as most apprentices are like. They get sent out to kill people.
Maul was not trained to sneak up on Jedi. he was trained purely to do whatever Sidious told him to and was trained primarily in fighting. If you could please tell me where you heard he was supposed to sneak up on Jedi I would appreciate it.
And anyone with half decent training doesn't need four sabers to kill a whole bunch of jedi. Look at Anakin in the Jedi library!
Yeah, but using four lightsabers helps, espically if you don't have the useful ability to use the Force. Anakin couldn't use 4 lightsabers because
A. he only has 2 arms
B. he was trained to fight with 1
I can understand you like Maul. He's cool as hell, i agree. But you're going WAY too far with the "Mace's bald ass would be sliced and diced" thing. Please tell me you don't really believe that.
Mace'd beat Maul if they fought in TPM, but, if Maul had lived to fight in the Clone Wars, he would have been strong enough to defeat Windu.
And imagine Mace with 15 years, "IF" he lived. He would tool Maul. Guarentee.
Mace did live 13 years later than Maul. If Maul and Grievous switched roles Grievous would be dead and Maul would be the Sith Lord all through the OT.

Now for my stand on Maul vs. Mace: I heard Maul was 22 in TPM. That's the same age Anakin was in ROTS. GL says Anakin was as strong as Sidious. That maeans he was at 1/2 his potential, since his potential is twice the power of Sidious. Maul probably progressed the same way as Anakin, meaning he would be at about 1/2 his potential. Can you imagine Maul if he were twice as strong as he was in TPM? Then I think he'd be stronger than Sidious. [/B]

Stronger than Sidious? Do you have ANY idea how strong sidious is? He takes entities later on when he dies. He is nuts, and besides, we all know Obi Wan ripped his shit up so he's dead anyways. Who cares.

How is a double bladed lightsaber cheap? I'll tell you why, it make take more training to master but when your fighting a single jedi with two sides and the Jedi only has one (reference to Obi Wan after qui dies) that's pretty damn cheap, but Maul is from the darkside and the darksiders are cheap bastards.

He didn't train Grievous on his spare time? NOW HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU KNOW?!!? Let me guess, you were there when Dooku trained Grievous? Holy CHRIST! How do you know Maul progressed the same way Anakin did? Is this another assumption? Ah fock it, i'm done with you.

Originally posted by DarthVasallo
All Siths have their special talent, Sids was to forsee events and manipulate people and outcomes to benefit himself.

I mean this guy planned on creating the Clone Wars, becoming Chancellor, AND turning Anakin.

He knew Mace was coming!!! ANakin told Sid he was telling the Jedi Council

Oh my god, Sidious won out of sheer luck and timing. If it weren't for Anakin walking in the room, Sidious would have been Sushi. For christ sakes, he practically begged for his life until Anakin came.

Mace would have owned Sidious. Bottom line. And maybe if Mace didn't die such a horribly stupid death, he would have kicked both Anakin and Sidious ass. For real.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
I'm pretty sure in the movie he said that Dooku had "showed him some things". Was GG a jedi before he got axed and turned into a droid?

I think that is the best point for who wins. The whole time maul fought obi maul had the advantage but GG never had the advantage against obi hence GG not having anymore arms.

GG was at a disadvantage cos of what Mace did to him in the clone wars. And no GG was not a jedi. Dooku trained him in free time. GG in him peak could fight 5 jedi but in epi iii he was not in his peak. go watch clone wars, click the 320*163

http://www.starwars.com/clonewars/microseries/chapter/22.html

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
If he'd have survived TPM then we would've become a badass but eventually been betrayed by Sidious. That actually should've happened.

now that would have been really really cool

If it was Grievous in his original chest tank (pre-Mace Windu injury), he would win. If it was post injury(around episode III), Maul would win. Maul would win either way if he stopped being such a puss and used lightning.

Originally posted by joesha28
GG was at a disadvantage cos of what Mace did to him in the clone wars. And no GG was not a jedi. Dooku trained him in free time. GG in him peak could fight 5 jedi but in epi iii he was not in his peak. go watch clone wars, click the 320*163

http://www.starwars.com/clonewars/microseries/chapter/22.html

How would Mace hitting him with the force hurt him anyways? Do humans break ribs when they get thrown with the force? Obviously not considering Anakin and Obi threw each other quite hard and didn't sustain injury.

yes, GG is weak against the force.... but he he make up for it with his speed and unorthodox form. But in fighting ability they match each other but GG is faster and his climbs and run up walls and all that.

Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
EVERYONE there was no injury!!!!! Lucas made him cough to show how he was originally human and to make it more of a wait for when he fought.

How would Mace hitting him with the force hurt him anyways? Do humans break ribs when they get thrown with the force? Obviously not considering Anakin and Obi threw each other quite hard and didn't sustain injury.

Mace used the force and cracked GG's chest tank. There was an injury. Go watch the Clone wars.

Originally posted by joesha28
Mace used the force and cracked GG's chest tank. There was an injury. Go watch the Clone wars.

Damnit man, the clone wars don't count. There was no injury! Read Labrynith of evil. Or Labrynith. Whatever.

If he cracked his chest tank he could replace it. GL made him cough to make him be more man like.

Did you see Revenge of the Sith? GG didn't do shit. Everyone was overpowered in the Clone Wars so they don't count. Even then he got his ass kicked by Obi and Obi and Maul were sort of equals.

Not by Rots... Maul doesn't even come close to Obi in Rots

Originally posted by Fishy
Not by Rots... Maul doesn't even come close to Obi in Rots

Yes! Thank you!

If Maul had enough time to develop as Obi Wan had to develop they'd be quite equal.

Yeah and if my grandma was the easterbunny i'd have eggs to eat now