Obi used defense style combat to take out grievous.....Maul was offense....Grievous made mincemeat out of everyone else sept for Mace anyway?...and whats with the clone wars thing Mace injuring Grievious...maybe i missed that one? Anyway I think Maul would have to be very careful to take him but if Grievous just came at Maul out of the blue and he had no time to strategize...Maul would once again get sliced in half...lol
Originally posted by TraptUnderIce
If Maul had enough time to develop as Obi Wan had to develop they'd be quite equal.
word...if Maul beat Obi in TPM, by ROTS he would be throwing force lightning, force avalanche, fireball, all that shit and Obi would be toast.
Mace's bald ass would run like a ***** back to Tararintino too.
Originally posted by DarthVasallo
word...if Maul beat Obi in TPM, by ROTS he would be throwing force lightning, force avalanche, fireball, all that shit and Obi would be toast.Mace's bald ass would run like a ***** back to Tararintino too.
Probably. And i can imagine these fireballs come from his ass?
That math seems wrong considering Anakin was the chosen one. Don't get me wrong Maul would've been very strong but I don't think he would have progressed as fast as Anakin.
Yeah, but considering how powerful Maul is in fighting sklills he could probably become vastly more powerful with the Force. The TPM visual dictionary says Maul's saber skills were already greater then Sidious's. Maul was already very powerful at the time of TPM. If his saberskills were more powerful than Sidious's then his Force skills probably could pass Sidious's as well. He may progress as fast as Anakin and just stop progressing sooner but he's younger and stronger than Obi-Wan is in TPM so he would progress at least as fast as Kenobi, making him stronger than Anakin and probably Sidious in ROTS.
Stronger than Sidious? Do you have ANY idea how strong sidious is?
Yes, and I also know that GL confirmed that Sidious wanted an apprentice that was stronger than himself, which pretty much confirms that Maul could have become stronger than Sidious.
it make take more training to master but when your fighting a single jedi with two sides and the Jedi only has one (reference to Obi Wan after qui dies) that's pretty damn cheap, but Maul is from the darkside and the darksiders are cheap bastards.
Wow. To start off it takes more time to master so that alone makes it not cheap. The harder a weapon is to learn how to use the more deadly the weapon should be in the hands of a master. Next, he didn't fight any better with both ends ignited then only one end when he was fighting Obi-Wan. Next, if using 2 blades at once makes him stronger then why did he only use one end while fighting Qui-Gon on Tatioone. Next, if a double bladed lightsaber is really more efficient then Jedi would use them. Finally I have never seen a Sith do anything cheap.
He didn't train Grievous on his spare time? NOW HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU KNOW?!!? Let me guess, you were there when Dooku trained Grievous? Holy CHRIST!
1. You need to calm down and remember not to use Christ's name in vain.
2. How the hell would you know he did train GG in his spare time?
3. Read Labrinth of Evil, my friend. Poggle the Lesser and San Hill gave GG to Dooku. Dooku always meant to train him. It was his plan.
How do you know Maul progressed the same way Anakin did? Is this another assumption?
Best evidence we've got.
Ah fock it, i'm done with you.
Good, your just being stubborn and stupid and think you're right about everything even though I've got official proof on my side and youre just throwing random things out.
Oh my god, Sidious won out of sheer luck and timing.
You know, your definately going to hell when you die. And, if you have watched ANH, there is no such thing as luck. Next, he didn't win out of timing. He let Mace beat him so he could pursuade Anakin to turn to the Dark Side.
If it weren't for Anakin walking in the room, Sidious would have been Sushi.
Sidious sensed Anakin coming and where he was and timed i=the battle out just right so that it would appear Mace beat him but Mace wouldn't actually kill him.
For christ sakes, he practically begged for his life until Anakin came.
He didn't start begging until after Anakin arrived in the office.
Mace would have owned Sidious. Bottom line. And maybe if Mace didn't die such a horribly stupid death, he would have kicked both Anakin and Sidious ass. For real.
No way. For real. The databank on starwars.com states that Yoda and Mace are equal in strength and Yoda lost to Sidious flat out.
Dooku trained him in free time.
No, GG was programmed to train and fight with lightsabers. Tyranus trained him so GG could be the General of the War and Dooku didn't have to do any of the fighting himself.
now that would have been really really cool
Hey there, DarthVasallo! Fancy seeing you here! I'm off to the Weakest Sith thread next!
Mace used the force and cracked GG's chest tank. There was an injury. Go watch the Clone wars.
He did not get injured. Labrinth of Evil contridct the microseries. LOE is more official. Sorry. In that book GG and Mace fight. GG gets injured in no way. Now shut up and listen to what TraptUnderIce said. He is correct, like it or not.
Not by Rots... Maul doesn't even come close to Obi in Rots
Well, he doesn come close - at least in saber skills - but he isn't as powerful. Closer to Obi-Wan's overall power, though, than GG is.
word...if Maul beat Obi in TPM, by ROTS he would be throwing force lightning, force avalanche, fireball, all that shit and Obi would be toast.
That's what I've been saying, he would be able to beat Sidious, too.
Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]That math seems wrong considering Anakin was the chosen one. Don't get me wrong Maul would've been very strong but I don't think he would have progressed as fast as Anakin.
Yeah, but considering how powerful Maul is in fighting sklills he could probably become vastly more powerful with the Force. The TPM visual dictionary says Maul's saber skills were already greater then Sidious's. Maul was already very powerful at the time of TPM. If his saberskills were more powerful than Sidious's then his Force skills probably could pass Sidious's as well. He may progress as fast as Anakin and just stop progressing sooner but he's younger and stronger than Obi-Wan is in TPM so he would progress at least as fast as Kenobi, making him stronger than Anakin and probably Sidious in ROTS.
Stronger than Sidious? Do you have ANY idea how strong sidious is?
Yes, and I also know that GL confirmed that Sidious wanted an apprentice that was stronger than himself, which pretty much confirms that Maul could have become stronger than Sidious.
it make take more training to master but when your fighting a single jedi with two sides and the Jedi only has one (reference to Obi Wan after qui dies) that's pretty damn cheap, but Maul is from the darkside and the darksiders are cheap bastards.
Wow. To start off it takes more time to master so that alone makes it not cheap. The harder a weapon is to learn how to use the more deadly the weapon should be in the hands of a master. Next, he didn't fight any better with both ends ignited then only one end when he was fighting Obi-Wan. Next, if using 2 blades at once makes him stronger then why did he only use one end while fighting Qui-Gon on Tatioone. Next, if a double bladed lightsaber is really more efficient then Jedi would use them. Finally I have never seen a Sith do anything cheap.
He didn't train Grievous on his spare time? NOW HOW THE HELL WOULD YOU KNOW?!!? Let me guess, you were there when Dooku trained Grievous? Holy CHRIST!
1. You need to calm down and remember not to use Christ's name in vain.
2. How the hell would you know he did train GG in his spare time?
3. Read Labrinth of Evil, my friend. Poggle the Lesser and San Hill gave GG to Dooku. Dooku always meant to train him. It was his plan.
How do you know Maul progressed the same way Anakin did? Is this another assumption?
Best evidence we've got.
Ah fock it, i'm done with you.
Good, your just being stubborn and stupid and think you're right about everything even though I've got official proof on my side and youre just throwing random things out.
Oh my god, Sidious won out of sheer luck and timing.
You know, your definately going to hell when you die. And, if you have watched ANH, there is no such thing as luck. Next, he didn't win out of timing. He let Mace beat him so he could pursuade Anakin to turn to the Dark Side.
If it weren't for Anakin walking in the room, Sidious would have been Sushi.
Sidious sensed Anakin coming and where he was and timed i=the battle out just right so that it would appear Mace beat him but Mace wouldn't actually kill him.
For christ sakes, he practically begged for his life until Anakin came.
He didn't start begging until after Anakin arrived in the office.
Mace would have owned Sidious. Bottom line. And maybe if Mace didn't die such a horribly stupid death, he would have kicked both Anakin and Sidious ass. For real.
No way. For real. The databank on starwars.com states that Yoda and Mace are equal in strength and Yoda lost to Sidious flat out.
Dooku trained him in free time.
No, GG was programmed to train and fight with lightsabers. Tyranus trained him so GG could be the General of the War and Dooku didn't have to do any of the fighting himself.
now that would have been really really cool
Hey there, DarthVasallo! Fancy seeing you here! I'm off to the Weakest Sith thread next!
Mace used the force and cracked GG's chest tank. There was an injury. Go watch the Clone wars.
He did not get injured. Labrinth of Evil contridct the microseries. LOE is more official. Sorry. In that book GG and Mace fight. GG gets injured in no way. Now shut up and listen to what TraptUnderIce said. He is correct, like it or not.
Not by Rots... Maul doesn't even come close to Obi in Rots
Well, he doesn come close - at least in saber skills - but he isn't as powerful. Closer to Obi-Wan's overall power, though, than GG is.
word...if Maul beat Obi in TPM, by ROTS he would be throwing force lightning, force avalanche, fireball, all that shit and Obi would be toast.
That's what I've been saying, he would be able to beat Sidious, too. [/B]
Took you long enough. My turn!
Listen, i do not give a rats ass where Grievous came from. That's Irrelevant to him being trained on Dookus spare time, which he was. 😄
Sidious sensed Anakin coming? This is yet another assumption by you. He was begging for his life when he got knocked down by Mace Windu and Windu was ready to chop him before he got his hands chopped off and shocked fifty feet out of a window. Sidious was ready to die. He didn't say anything to Anakin about playing with Mace or whether he sensed Anakin coming or not.
It doesn't matter if Yoda and Mace are equal in strength, anything can happen in a battle, and i imagine they have different saber styles. Maces probably worked better on Sidious.
I agree. Maul would own everything in sight.
You've never seen a Sith do anything cheap? I don't know what kind of Sith you've been looking at, buddy.
Originally posted by darthsith19
He did not get injured. Labrinth of Evil contridct the microseries. LOE is more official. Sorry. In that book GG and Mace fight. GG gets injured in no way. Now shut up and listen to what TraptUnderIce said. He is correct, like it or not.
i'm not aware of that book. Who is the author of Labyrinth of Evil? Because i know Clone Wars were basically made by GL to make the connection from AOTC and ROTS. And if you'll watch, the last chapter, chapter 25 is where GG (DOES NOT fight Mace but) sees Mace, Mace sees him and Mace squeezes his chest pretty hard and exactly then GG starts coughing and leaning over. Chapter 25 also ends with GG taking off to his ship that's doing orbital battle on Coruscant and Obi Wan and Anakin arriving to the battle (which is how ROTS begins). That's enough reason for me to not believe that GG had enough time to change his chest parts. Also, in the clone wars cartoons, GG didn't cough AT ALL, so if it's true that GL just wanted him to look like there's still some organic in him, then why didn't he make him cough in CW since he oversaw the entire cartoon series?
~wickerman~
Originally posted by LordSorgo
Took you long enough. My turn!Listen, i do not give a rats ass where Grievous came from. That's Irrelevant to him being trained on Dookus spare time, which he was. 😄
Sidious sensed Anakin coming? This is yet another assumption by you. He was begging for his life when he got knocked down by Mace Windu and Windu was ready to chop him before he got his hands chopped off and shocked fifty feet out of a window. Sidious was ready to die. He didn't say anything to Anakin about playing with Mace or whether he sensed Anakin coming or not.
It doesn't matter if Yoda and Mace are equal in strength, anything can happen in a battle, and i imagine they have different saber styles. Maces probably worked better on Sidious.
I agree. Maul would own everything in sight.
You've never seen a Sith do anything cheap? I don't know what kind of Sith you've been looking at, buddy.
Okay seriously, if you don't see that Sids never planned the mace thing, you are sooo blind. This is a guy that manipulated the whole Republic, forsaw the events leading up to the Clone Wars, forsaw the jedi council turning on him, the Rebel Alliance planning to infiltrate his Death Star....HIS GREATEST STRENGTH IS TO FORSEE THINGS AND MANIPULATE THEM TO HIS BENEFIT.
Why else would he smoke 3 Jedi masters really fast and take it easy on mace ????? He KNEW MACE WAS COMING!!! Why - CUZ ANAKIN TOLD HIM.
Originally posted by DarthVasallo
Okay seriously, if you don't see that Sids never planned the mace thing, you are sooo blind. This is a guy that manipulated the whole Republic, forsaw the events leading up to the Clone Wars, forsaw the jedi council turning on him, the Rebel Alliance planning to infiltrate his Death Star....HIS GREATEST STRENGTH IS TO FORSEE THINGS AND MANIPULATE THEM TO HIS BENEFIT.Why else would he smoke 3 Jedi masters really fast and take it easy on mace ????? He KNEW MACE WAS COMING!!! Why - CUZ ANAKIN TOLD HIM.
Your incorrect. Anakin told him he was going to tell the Council that Palps was the dark lord. Mace was stronger than all of those other jedi, and he put up a greater defense and nearly killed Palpatine. Bottom line.
Took you long enough. My turn!
Thought you were done with me.
Listen, i do not give a rats ass where Grievous came from. That's Irrelevant to him being trained on Dookus spare time, which he was. big grin
You are just assuming that. He was programmed to be trained in Jedi arts. Where the **** did you ever hear he was trained on soare time, anyways?
Sidious sensed Anakin coming? This is yet another assumption by you.
No, ROTS novel. Sidious let Mace win. He knew he wouldn't die because he foresaw Anakin saving him. He had no reason to tell Anakin he had tricked him after Anakin turned to the Dark Side.
It doesn't matter if Yoda and Mace are equal in strength, anything can happen in a battle, and i imagine they have different saber styles. Maces probably worked better on Sidious.
If that's what you think. it's okay, I used to think the same thing. Then I realised I was wrong. It's okay to admit when your wrong, you know.
You've never seen a Sith do anything cheap? I don't know what kind of Sith you've been looking at, buddy.
Name one time a Sith did anything cheap.
Who is the author of Labyrinth of Evil?
James Luceno (sp?). GL even let him read the ROTS script before he wrote it.
Because i know Clone Wars were basically made by GL
No more than Labrinth of Evil was.
Chapter 25 also ends with GG taking off to his ship that's doing orbital battle on Coruscant and Obi Wan and Anakin arriving to the battle (which is how ROTS begins).
LOE ends with Anakin and Obi-Wan leaving the planet their on to return to Courscant.
since he oversaw the entire cartoon series?
1. He didn't oversee them
2. GG was introduced in a 5 minute cartoon. If you didn't notice the miniseries was really fast paced, much to fast to have time for GG coughing.
3. If you havn't noticed, GG doesn't cough while he's fighting.
darthsith19, have you ever seen Star Wars Episode II? GG tells ob1 that he learned the ways of a lightsaber by CD.
That's Episode 3, not 2.
he wasn't "programmed" he was trained
He was programmed to fight in lightsaber combat. Dooku trained him. Since he isn't all droid he couldn't just be programmed to fight in lightsaber combat. He would need training as well.
i ment to say episode III
Okay.
Anakin told him he was going to tell the Council that Palps was the dark lord.
Which pretty much means Mace is on his way.
Mace was stronger than all of those other jedi, and he put up a greater defense and nearly killed Palpatine. Bottom line.
Mace was stronger than those other Jedi, no doubt of that, but Sidious killed all three of them while fending off Mace. That alone should be proof that he was stronger than mace. Mace didn't nearly kill Palps. Palps knew he was going to be saved by Anakin so he let Mace win. If by some miracly Palpatine's Force powers failed him and Anakin didn't save him then Palpatine could easily leap away from the blade or use FL again to stop Mace.
Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]Took you long enough. My turn!
Thought you were done with me.
Listen, i do not give a rats ass where Grievous came from. That's Irrelevant to him being trained on Dookus spare time, which he was. big grin
You are just assuming that. He was programmed to be trained in Jedi arts. Where the **** did you ever hear he was trained on soare time, anyways?
Sidious sensed Anakin coming? This is yet another assumption by you.
No, ROTS novel. Sidious let Mace win. He knew he wouldn't die because he foresaw Anakin saving him. He had no reason to tell Anakin he had tricked him after Anakin turned to the Dark Side.
It doesn't matter if Yoda and Mace are equal in strength, anything can happen in a battle, and i imagine they have different saber styles. Maces probably worked better on Sidious.
If that's what you think. it's okay, I used to think the same thing. Then I realised I was wrong. It's okay to admit when your wrong, you know.
You've never seen a Sith do anything cheap? I don't know what kind of Sith you've been looking at, buddy.
Name one time a Sith did anything cheap.
Who is the author of Labyrinth of Evil?
James Luceno (sp?). GL even let him read the ROTS script before he wrote it.
Because i know Clone Wars were basically made by GL
No more than Labrinth of Evil was.
Chapter 25 also ends with GG taking off to his ship that's doing orbital battle on Coruscant and Obi Wan and Anakin arriving to the battle (which is how ROTS begins).
LOE ends with Anakin and Obi-Wan leaving the planet their on to return to Courscant.
since he oversaw the entire cartoon series?
1. He didn't oversee them
2. GG was introduced in a 5 minute cartoon. If you didn't notice the miniseries was really fast paced, much to fast to have time for GG coughing.
3. If you havn't noticed, GG doesn't cough while he's fighting.
darthsith19, have you ever seen Star Wars Episode II? GG tells ob1 that he learned the ways of a lightsaber by CD.
That's Episode 3, not 2.
he wasn't "programmed" he was trained
He was programmed to fight in lightsaber combat. Dooku trained him. Since he isn't all droid he couldn't just be programmed to fight in lightsaber combat. He would need training as well.
i ment to say episode III
Okay.
Anakin told him he was going to tell the Council that Palps was the dark lord.
Which pretty much means Mace is on his way.
Mace was stronger than all of those other jedi, and he put up a greater defense and nearly killed Palpatine. Bottom line.
Mace was stronger than those other Jedi, no doubt of that, but Sidious killed all three of them while fending off Mace. That alone should be proof that he was stronger than mace. Mace didn't nearly kill Palps. Palps knew he was going to be saved by Anakin so he let Mace win. If by some miracly Palpatine's Force powers failed him and Anakin didn't save him then Palpatine could easily leap away from the blade or use FL again to stop Mace. [/B]
Force Lighting to stop mace? I believe it disfigured him horribly.
By the way, 90% of the books will not matter *if* George Lucas comes out with Episode seven. He said it himself in an interview that he is disregarding most of the book if he makes the movie.
Sidious should have just killed Mace himself. He focked the other jedi up, why would he "play" with Mace? Think about this. Mace cornered him. That is all there is to it.
Soare time? Uh... Okay....
Dooku did train him on his spare time. You think Dooku was getting paid to train Grievous? Or if Dooku *had* to train Grievous? No! He wanted to train Grievous, so he did it on his spare time. He had nothing else to do, so he decided to train Grievous.
I'm sure Sidious decided that he would kill the rest of the Jedi masters and toy with Master Mace. Yeah sure, i understand Sidious is incredibly powerful but he was having a hard time.
He was programmed to be trained in Jedi Arts? That is painfully incorrect! I will say this again. In episode three, he TELLS Obi wan that Dooku trained him and it even shows it on the clone wars cartoon. *Rolls eyes*
Thought you were done with me
You thought wrong, my friend.
Force Lighting to stop mace? I believe it disfigured him horribly.
I thought the same thing. Then I was told that Star Wars Insider as well as Ian MicDirmand himself state that Sidious's face was always like that and he just used the Force to cloud his appearance. He tricked Anakin into thinking he was losing when really the lightning did nothing to his face. After Mace died he kept his face like that as proof of attempted assisanation.
Sidious should have just killed Mace himself. He focked the other jedi up, why would he "play" with Mace? Think about this. Mace cornered him. That is all there is to it.
You are wrong. Think about it. If he had killed Mace Anakin would
You think he was getting paisnever have turned to the dark side.
You think Dooku was getting paid to train Grievous?
You think he was getting paid at all?
Or if Dooku *had* to train Grievous?
Well of course not. dooku didn't have to do anything!
He wanted to train Grievous, so he did it on his spare time.
No, he wanted to train Grievous so he it. He didn't do it during spare time. Your just saying that. You know it, too. At least I hope you do.
He had nothing else to do, so he decided to train Grievous.
There is always something to do.
He was programmed to be trained in Jedi Arts? That is painfully incorrect! I will say this again. In episode three, he TELLS Obi wan that Dooku trained him and it even shows it on the clone wars cartoon. *Rolls eyes*
(shakes head) you just can't understand. He was trained by Tyranus but he was also programmed to fight. Just as he trained his guards but they were also programmed to fight. He was programmed to fight but Tyranus trained him. In otherwords he perfected his skills and taught his all he needed to know about killing Jedi.
You thought wrong, my friend.
You said you were done with me.
darth maul
i think that Darth Maul would beat gravious, it was aid before that grevious defeated 5 jedi , while that was in the cartoon and many of theose jedi weret the caliber that quigon was nor obiwan and alos the cartoon do tend to be more powerful, if you read the sanctioned books by lucasarts about the duel in thepower core and alos darthmauls history , they prove that darth maul had the whole fight under controll i nthe power core and the even when obiwan counldt realized it qui gon knew he was going to die for early on in the fight and it was only by luck that obiwan reached into himself to find the force to pull himself out of the pit, and i might add the he was in rage and used most likely the dark side to defeat a sith, a little contrary to qui gons training i might think.while grevious have 4 arms and some brain implants that about it really, darth maul was a sith trained from birth by a sith lord in "the arts of a jedi", grevious was designed to fight jedi alos not sith, jedi fight defensively primarily while maul as a sith fights offensively.maul cous just use force lightning "which he is capable of" to just fry grevious on the spotor push him of somthing or into spomthing or just hold him in the air and choke him, but even witout offensive force maul is the better swordsman ,he is many times mort the artful fighter than grevious , and only imagine if maul would have survived and how much he would have improved in the time between episodes.i rest the case that grevious although an impressive cyborg jedi killer is not a match for a dark lord of the sith, like darth maul