The 'Holocaust'

Again... look, for a start, the reaon they have land in the Middle East is because the UN gave it to them, THAT is how it is justified! One way or another, it is their country now, as determined by the world community at the time.

But the UN gave it to them for a reason..

In the begining it was in germany but it spread to other countries around Europe so it wasnt only German jew who felt the heat. And after the German occupied countries the jews of that nation suffered the same fate that the jews had done in Germany years prior tp them

Yes, but that's not the point, the point is that people make out it is not justified to hang onto Israel on religious grounds. But that is irrelevant- it is there on solid political grounds.

Originally posted by finti
In the begining it was in germany but it spread to other countries around Europe so it wasnt only German jew who felt the heat. And after the German occupied countries the jews of that nation suffered the same fate that the jews had done in Germany years prior tp them

That is not the point, Finti. In the 30s, it was only the Germans that other people were TALKING about, so in the book- set in the 30s- it would only be the Germans who were being alluded to. Who it was ACTUALLY happening to isn't relevant.

And those solid political grounds are ?

That the UN gave it to them, of course! They have a mandate from the very global authority responsible for handling such mandates. So whatever religious reasons went towards that are no longer relevant to the fact that their ownership of Israel is legally confirmed and set as solidly as any other nation.

oh the book, didnt read the post thoroughly enough sorry for that

Rusky, what do your school teach you of Romanias role of the WW II

Originally posted by Ushgarak
And why have you put persecution in quote marks?

Because, and correct me if I'm wrong, most of the Israelis aren't from Germany and never went through the Holocaust...

And the thing about Israel... Just because the UN gave it to them doesn't make it right for them to take it from the Palestinians--it belongs to the Palestinians, and has for thousands of years. Just because the Israelis believe it's The Promised Land (and maybe it is) doesn't mean it's alright for them to say "Ok, move over guys, we're moving in here". Plus, I don't see why they keep wanting to take more land... And furthermore, I see no reason why the Palestinians have to move off the land in order for them to live there...

Not much really...mostly what happened from our point of view ofc, not to forget those 'glorious battles' 😉

It's a long story, sure u want to hear it ?

Ush, I don't know...the UN must've had a reason for doing that..

most of the Israelis aren't from Germany and never went through the Holocaust...

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Because, and correct me if I'm wrong, most of the Israelis aren't from Germany and never went through the Holocaust...

And the thing about Israel... Just because the UN gave it to them doesn't make it right for them to take it from the Palestinians--it belongs to the Palestinians, and has for thousands of years. Just because the Israelis believe it's The Promised Land (and maybe it is) doesn't mean it's alright for them to say "Ok, move over guys, we're moving in here". Plus, I don't see why they keep wanting to take more land... And furthermore, I see no reason why the Palestinians have to move off the land in order for them to live there...

idd...and the weird thing is, before the un named the land israel, there still were jews there and they used to live in peace with the palestinians..

Well, you may disagree it is right, that is another debate, but that the UN gave it to them means they DO have the right to keep it- end of story, that is the law and the voice of the civilised world at a time when it spoke with a clear voice. Like I say, that decision by the UN may have been questionable- but it was also irrevocable. And it was the UN that took it from the Palestinians anyway.

And you probably should have put 'their' rather than 'persecution' in quotes, then. To put persecution in quotes implies there might not have been any.

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Originally posted by rusky
Not much really...mostly what happened from our point of view ofc, not to forget those 'glorious battles' 😉

It's a long story, sure u want to hear it ?

Ush, I don't know...the UN must've had a reason for doing that..

Yes, because as I said, they saw it as the most fair and constructive solution to the problem.

what a hornets nest they created

As I said WD this is my opinion, feel free to disagree. I find it unfair to see that some peolpe suggest they were the ones who suffered most in a world-wide conflict...

And that problem being Ush ? That the jews had no land ? They had no land for hundreds of years and no-one ever complained..

Err, well, yes they DID, actually! I dunno where you got that idea from; the Jewish situation occupied much of early 20th century politics.

There were countless millions of refugees with no home to go to and the Allies could not look after them forever. Israel was the proposed and accepted solution.

We could spend the rest of time debating how that issue came about; from the British occupation of Palestine and the Jewish lobby in the US, but that won't help. It has already been done- they were given the legal mandate to that land.

Then I am missinformed...where did the jews reside prior to their relocation ?

I was idd not aware of this political interest in the jews in the 20th century..

The area once were jewish land