Originally posted by rusky
As I said WD this is my opinion, feel free to disagree. I find it unfair to see that some peolpe suggest they were the ones who suffered most in a world-wide conflict...
I edited my first post, but I was highly offended by your opinon. I cannot post my comments right now, because my emotions are too strong. I cannot have normal discussion in my current state of mind.
Maybe some other time I will post my opinions in a rational matter.
It was everywhere! They existed everywhere but had no home of their own, having been driven from it in history. There were Catholic states, Anglican states, Muslim, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhist states... but no Jewish state and many people thought there should be one- not least, of course, the majority of Jews themselves.
Certainly a lot of states wanted to deal with their own Jewish 'problem'; for a long time the idea of sending them all to Madagascar was mooted (this was used as a cover by the Germans for a long time).
After the Second World War when even their homes in their current countries had been destroyed, and they HAD to go somewhere but there seemed to be nowhere for them to go, the idea of the Jewish state was forced onto the top of the Agenda, and after dealing with Germany's future was the number one priority of issues settled after WWII.
I have to side with USH on the use of the word "they". This "us" vs. "them" is the root-cause of nationalistic idiocy, fanatacism and so on and so forth. I'm cofident not ALL Isralies have said what you claim. So you either find some references or pin-point the "they" you're referring to!
But Jews were not the only ones being killed in the nazi-camps. The first groups to be imprisoned that way were political opponenst (socialists and communists), romanis and other groups deemed "dangerous." While I DO think it is important to teach people about this crime against humanity, the nazi holocaust was not solely targeted at Jews - and this misconception bothers me. The word holocaust has almost become synonymous with "mass-slaughter of Jews", but what about the atrocities in Burundi/Rwanda and ex-jugoslavia (to mention a few)?
But, Rusky: Even supposing the school-board establishes a special holocaust against the Jews class. THAT would've then been done by the school-boad and not the Jews.
I have to side with USH on the use of the word "they". This "us" vs. "them" is the root-cause of nationalistic idiocy, fanatacism and so on and so forth. I'm cofident not ALL Isralies have said what you claim. So you either find some references or pin-point the "they" you're referring to!
Here..
The united jewish federation or whatever they are called, it is they that I refer to as 'they'
But Jews were not the only ones being killed in the nazi-camps. The first groups to be imprisoned that way were political opponenst (socialists and communists), romanis and other groups deemed "dangerous." While I DO think it is important to teach people about this crime against humanity, the nazi holocaust was not solely targeted at Jews - and this misconception bothers me. The word holocaust has almost become synonymous with "mass-slaughter of Jews", but what about the atrocities in Burundi/Rwanda and ex-jugoslavia (to mention a few)?
This is eactly what's bugging me..
But, Rusky: Even supposing the school-board establishes a special holocaust against the Jews class. THAT would've then been done by the school-boad and not the Jews.
I've heard about it in more countries so it sounds weird they all just suddenly decided this is good for kids...
Re: The 'Holocaust'
Just to clear something out I didn't bash you or anything like that in my first post. Please don't think I use improper language in the forum. Just a shocking reaction that was all.
Originally posted by rusky
What I'm trying to say is that the jews have used the 'holocaust' as an excuse for obtaining countless advantages after WW2, despite it not being something out of the ordinary.
On what do you base this on? How have the Jews have use the excuse to obtaing advantages from post WWII?
They had homelands wheree they were welcome to go home to. The Jewish refugees did not. You really cannot equivocate the two. The efforts of the Germans actually destroyed the very concept of the old Jewish 'homelands'.
Seriously, if it was as simple as just being able to put everything back where it was- the UN would have done that.
Originally posted by rusky
I did not consider what u said bashing WD..it's ok if u think what I said is wrong, and I'm sorry it has ofended u..
Thank you, actually I should apologize more. I did over reacted to your comments. Your opinion is only yours, and I should have respected that.
Originally posted by rusky
It has been used to obtain Israel, that I can guarantee too..
From what I understand it was Britain idea. The British tried to work out an agreement acceptable to both Arabs and Jews, but their insistence on the former's approval guaranteed failure. They subsequently turned the issue over to the UN in February 1947. Then of course the UN made the proposal of the lands that the Jews should relocated to. The Jews of were not satisfied with the small territory allotted to them by the Commission, nor were they happy that Jerusalem was severed from the Jewish State; nevertheless, they welcomed the compromise. The Arabs rejected the UNSCOP's recommendations. The British left and both sides started to fight each other. Thus war broke again between the Jews and Arabs.
Israel of course received support by the US. The Arabs got support from Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia (I'm not too sure who the Arabs allies were correct me if I'm wrong). It came down to politics and land in the end, so I don't think the Jewish people or the Arabs are resposible for the wars and the recent violence in the Middle East.
I don't think the Jewish people or the Arabs are resposible for the wars and the recent violence in the Middle East.
OFC WD, I never had anything with the jewish people... more so with their leaders/representatives...
They had homelands wheree they were welcome to go home to. The Jewish refugees did not. You really cannot equivocate the two. The efforts of the Germans actually destroyed the very concept of the old Jewish 'homelands'.
Please explain to me this. Say a french person who lived in a village and had a french jewish neighbour, and they both lost their homes, but they both survived the war. Why would the french person be able to move to another village and the jewish french not so ?