who do you think has the more impressive showings.....? i don't think it's really even very close. but of course adam IS a cm villain, and this IS comics, so there's that. superman vs billy has been historically ridiculously close, but i don't think you're going to use only those combat showings to conclude billy=superman, are you?
I agree about Black Adam being more impressive than Billy in terms of sheer volume of people he has taken one, and how frequently - but we can't ignore the fact that they're essentially copies of each other. Considering how Billy is able to handle him just fine in normal conditions, and Black Adam being much more formidable than Gladiator -- it paints a pretty clear picture who is the favorite here, imo.
I think Billy's record is underrated, though [against 'peers'] -- besides Black Adam -- AND the fact that he has a much higher ceiling [see Billy's durability vs DoV Spectre] - there's stuff like this:
https://imgur.com/a/Q7A6d
...which, again, is something that Gladiator can't touch. Quite frankly, it's ridiculous.
And I hate to use cheap-moves, but Gladiator's kind have a weakness against magic:
https://imgur.com/a/3umKDhK
aaaand...Cap's lightning amped punches...:
https://imgur.com/a/HrrjLdC
Originally posted by leonidas
who do you think has the more impressive showings.....? i don't think it's really even very close. but of course adam IS a cm villain, and this IS comics, so there's that. superman vs billy has been historically ridiculously close, but i don't think you're going to use only those combat showings to conclude billy=superman, are you?
Adam has never beaten or even shown upper hand on cap before.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Billy will know exactly what he's going to do before Glads knows it.'KMC style', which should really be renamed 'Carver misunderstanding style' 😂
Show me Billy avoiding someone coming at him at billions of times the speed of light. Remember, we are talking about a guy who crossed Galaxies in the blink of an eye, flown 100 times the speed of light.
Even durability is a plus for him. He withstood an attack that was going to level half of the solar system. Swam in suns.
Strengths contained a blast that was going to shes half of a solar system. Planet busting. Fighting evenly, temporarily against Phoenix Force users.
Billy doesnt have anything comparable to what I said. KMC style debating, Glads treat him like fodder.
@phil--not sure the magic scan really works--even against magic his confidence did not falter. my interpretation of that is that young glads was able to 'confidence' his way through that unexpected attack. if he does have weakness to it, it seems his confidence can carry him through.
and billy may win this. but i think it would be really close every time.
@abhi--proof superman (and not billy) holds back in all their fights....?
I mean, Superman 'wills' himself to withstand magic attacks, too, but it doesn't mean that he's not taking them at sub-optimal [i.e. compared to non-magic] levels.
It's like two guys fighting, but one of them having brass knuckles.
@abhi--proof superman (and not billy) holds back in all their fights....?C'mon...
Originally posted by leonidas
and yet his confidence didn't waver. were he truly hurt by it, or bring stopped, how could he have remained confident. failing or being beaten doesn't inspire confidence. in the same breath the guy says they are prepared to fight against it. so, i dunno. /shrug
By having some adepts learn it to better defend against it.
Glads didn't learn it, nor does he have adepts in this thread to protect him against it.
BUT, having said that....magic didn't exactly help Asgard when he came a knockin, lol.
BUT BUT, Heimdall wasn't exactly pulverised by his billions of FTL speed or whatever calc Carv has come up with. So perhaps magical invulnerability DOES help....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By having some adepts learn it to better defend against it.Glads didn't learn it, nor does he have adepts in this thread to protect him against it.
BUT, having said that....magic didn't exactly help Asgard when he came a knockin, lol.
BUT BUT, Heimdall wasn't exactly pulverised by his billions of FTL speed or whatever calc Carv has come up with. So perhaps magical invulnerability DOES help....
Or that is a high showing for Heimdall. Ya know, things like that does happen. Gladiator using KMC style debating destroys here, with ease.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Please stop with this 'KmC style debating' nonsense. You're salty and you completely misunderstand the rules, doesn't mean you have to keep bringing it up.
Lol... I'm not salty though. Ok, I'll say this... Gladiator based off of his speed showings do not get touched here. Is that better?