honestly, every single person who says these are nothing more than conspiracy theories kind of piss me off.
ive seen all these videos. Im not just agreeing with them so i can "find things" and nitpick at obvious answers. It just doesnt make sense that terrorists did this.
Phone calls are extremely awkward. who the hell talks to there parents and says there own name like that?
where the hell did the plane go that HIT the pentagon?? where? your telling me that "conspiracy theorists" are the only people that can open there eyes? and before you say that the plane got "vaporized" (which was THEIR excuse) it would be impossible for that to happen. planes dont get vaporized by crashing. they just erupt into flames.
also, why the hell is the hole that the plane made when it hit the pentagon so small? have you even seen it? its not that hard to watch a video... a plane of regular size would have made a WAY bigger hole than that. including the fact that it would have ****ed up the grass on crash landing. and the grass was pretty much untouched. sounds like stupid "conspiracies" to me 🙄
there are so many more problems of why this looks rigged... an easy way to make war and get a titter grip on this pathetic excuse for a country anyway.
Originally posted by Sappho
ive seen all these videos. Im not just agreeing with them so i can "find things" and nitpick at obvious answers. It just doesnt make sense that terrorists did this.
It doesn't make sense that violent people who dislike America and have the resources to plan and carry out attacks might attack America?
Originally posted by Sappho
where the hell did the plane go that HIT the pentagon?? where? your telling me that "conspiracy theorists" are the only people that can open there eyes? and before you say that the plane got "vaporized" (which was THEIR excuse) it would be impossible for that to happen. planes dont get vaporized by crashing. they just erupt into flames.
Most of it went into the Pentagon. The only people who claimed it was vaporized were conspiracy theorists.
Originally posted by jaden101
Well done for resurrecting a 5 and a half year old thread.Kudos to you.
I could absolutely rape your post to death with photographic evidence proving you wrong but I've done it to that many idiots in the conspiracy forum now it's actually getting tedious.
i just started looking into it/hearing about it recently, which is why i posted it.
and im not subject to change, prove me wrong and ill concede.
Originally posted by Sappho
and im not subject to change, prove me wrong and ill concede.
http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Parapraxis alert! Parapraxis alert!
and loose change wasnt specifically what i was talking about, but i have seen it. and inimalist, your smart, do you believe what was said in the link you shown me? i think you probably do, i just want clarification.
Originally posted by Sappho
honestly, your just an *******. debate it if you want, but i honestly doubt anyone would like to debate or even talk with you when you remind me of some chick on her period. people like you are the reason why i wrote the first sentence of my last post in the first place.i just started looking into it/hearing about it recently, which is why i posted it.
and im not subject to change, prove me wrong and ill concede.
Plane debris on the lawn of the Pentagon.
Plane engine inside the Pentagon.
Plane wheel from inside the Pentagon.
Do you want to put your brain into gear and think about some basic differences between this crash and a normal accidental plane crash and why there is more debris at those than at the Pentagon?...Here's some help.
In a normal crash, the pilot is actually trying to PREVENT the plane from crashing....Therefor the plane is going slowly so as to prevent damage and give people the best chance of survival...In this case the pilot WANTED to crash the plane and actually accelerated to around 500mph before hitting the Pentagon...That's about 4 times faster than a plane during a typical crash. If you double the speed of something you quadruple the force with which is carries...In this case it hit with 16 times the force of a plane in a normal crash.
Now...Onto the Pentagon itself...The Pentagon is a building designed to withstand direct bomb blasts. A plane is a thin tube of aluminuim. Generally quite easy to see which would come off worse in this situation.
As for the lawn question...It didn't skid along the long...It was in the air...I notice you conveniently left out the fact that there was a trail of destroyed street light all the way up to the Pentagon where the plane's wings took them out as it flew toward the building.
So...While you might be right about me being an a*****e...I'm the one who's right about the subject.
Originally posted by Sapphoand im not subject to change, prove me wrong and ill concede.
Which parts specifically would you like countered? Points like "terrorist wouldn't do this" is your own opinion and someone couldn't really prove that wrong, unless we're to resurrect one of the hijackers and have him tell you.
But crashing a plane full of civilians into a building full of people does cause general terror in a population. ie Terrorism.
Originally posted by Sappho
lol i didnt mean that, which you probably knew.and loose change wasnt specifically what i was talking about, but i have seen it. and inimalist, your smart, do you believe what was said in the link you shown me? i think you probably do, i just want clarification.
I do not believe the american government was responsible for the planning or execution of 9-11
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So what you're saying is, they just covered it up. 😮💨
actually, I do believe the government has done a lot to cover up certain aspects of the attack, but what they are covering up is mostly infighting between agencies like the FBI and CIA, and general incompotence in the intelligence community. There are issues like some of the hijackers, known on "watch lists", living under those names after being watched entering the country, or them living and planning with someone who was a current FBI informant.
The whole conspiracy shit actually is the best cover the government could ever hope for. I don't address these things ever because the best response I can expect is to either start a truther off on a rant or be called one myself. These conspiracies essentially shield the government from legitimate criticism about the attacks, and certainly have taken up media time that should have been devoted to asking real questions. Hell, I can't say for sure that the stuff I know as being a valid question even is, because there is almost no reasonable investigation of the topic, its either "this is why the government is evil" or "this is why conspiracy nuts are wrong"
Originally posted by inimalist
I do not believe the american government was responsible for the planning or execution of 9-11
What about conspiracy B)?
The US gov'ment knew terrorist were in the US and knew what they were planning, but turned a blind eye so that Bush Co (or the Illuminati using Bush as a puppet) could then do whatever they wanted.
That's a whole other ball game...You wont get any argument from me that the US government security agencies can be incompetent. It's to be expected when there are so many of them with such poor communication between them both within an agency and between different agencies.
I mean...How long is Robtard going to get away with his raping and killing spree?
Originally posted by Robtard
What about conspiracy B)?The US gov'ment knew terrorist were in the US and knew what they were planning, but turned a blind eye so that Bush Co (or the Illuminati using Bush as a puppet) could then do whatever they wanted.
I believe that is a more reasonable position that is still entirely unsupported by any evidence, and tbh, there was a whistler blower when Nixon tried to bug a hotel room. The idea that everyone who was involved in "turning a blind eye" would have stayed mum until this moment, after everything that has happened (including falling outs within the "core" of the ideologues in the Bush whitehouse), strains credulity for me.
Like, I can't imagine the FBI or CIA would need presidential approval to stop a terrorist act, and thus, we would be talking an entire "culture" of letting people kill innocent Americans at even middle to low end positions in the intelligence community.
Originally posted by jaden101
That's a whole other ball game...You wont get any argument from me that the US government security agencies can be incompetent. It's to be expected when there are so many of them with such poor communication between them both within an agency and between different agencies.
no, i totally agree, and thats almost my point. The important questions after 9-11 were things like: why wasn't the information shared between agencies? How does information get shared? how are credible threats determined from the thousands of reports that are filed each day? etc.
I like Richard Clarke's book on the subject, because he does address the way intelligence and the whitehouse approached mid-eastern terrorism (re: they had 2 arabic speakers, if that), but I rarely see the issue addressed like that.
Originally posted by jaden101
I mean...How long is Robtard going to get away with his raping and killing spree?
does Rob speak Farsi?