Superman Prime Vs. Dark Phoenix

Ok first of all Phoenix is powerful yes... but there is no way thats she could beat Superman Prime. Regular Superman fought Phoenix for a few minutes in the Access Series (Marvel / DC team up). When the JLA fought the X-Men. She tried to escape him to help her pu**y of a husband Cyclops but couldn't. So there is no way that she could take Superman Prime out. Ok so she can drain Suns... or destroy a solar system. Superman Prime took the Red Star in the One million Series and took it apart and absorbed all of the red energy in its core. For those of you who know... red light is supposed to make him normal and lose his powers. Not only that but after he did that, he created a new yellow Sun. Anyone can destory a Sun... but can Phoenix create one? I haven't even talked about Superman's Green Lantern Ring or the Sword of Heaven. His Green Lantern ring is the last one in existance, has all the GL Corp power stored in it. So thats is pretty much the same as when Parallax drained the GL before, and he was able to recreate the Universe. And even though it never really describes his sword, have you noticed the name? Sword of HEAVEN... come on now, you think God is going to make him a pocket knife? I bet even Superman Dynesty could beat Dark Phoenix. He actually got his powers from a Yellow Sun but even when he fought the Anti Sun in the DC One million series with a Red Star going... he still beat the Anti Sun. Also if the two ever did fight, who would Phoenix call? Wolverine? Cyclops? Jubilee? Ice Man? Seriously... Marvel characters are all weak... Batman almost took out the entire X-Men before the JLA showed up. A lot fo you need to get off Marvel's balls.

Prime killed solaris SO easily, and solaris is far more than a match for dark phoenix.

These stats are of Rachel Summers, imagine these powers in a ruthless and uncaring person. Rachel doesn't even use the full power of the Phoenix for fear of losing control of it as her mother did when she became the Dark Phoenix. Rachel does have more control over the Phoenix than her mother did though.

Strength: Athlete

Speed: Athlete

Known superhuman powers: Phoenix II has the ability to exist in any environment without harm, project force bolts of incalculable power and create force fields. She also possesses the power of telepathy, illusion-casting; her link with the Phoenix force gives her vast psionic ability to manipulate time, space, matter, and energy for virtually any purpose.

Source of superhuman powers: (innate telepathic abilities) genetic mutation, (other psionic powers). Rachel Summers is a host for the Phoenix Force, a manifestation of a primal force of the universe which embodies the concepts of life and passion, especially the passion to create and destroy, and derives its power from the psyches of all living beings in the universe.

Dark Phoenix takes Prime and ends his legacy. Now if Prime had a few allies, then maybe, but by himself, no chance.

Originally posted by Jason8200
Ok first of all Phoenix is powerful yes... but there is no way thats she could beat Superman Prime. Regular Superman fought Phoenix for a few minutes in the Access Series (Marvel / DC team up). When the JLA fought the X-Men. She tried to escape him to help her pu**y of a husband Cyclops but couldn't. So there is no way that she could take Superman Prime out. Ok so she can drain Suns... or destroy a solar system. Superman Prime took the Red Star in the One million Series and took it apart and absorbed all of the red energy in its core. For those of you who know... red light is supposed to make him normal and lose his powers. Not only that but after he did that, he created a new yellow Sun. Anyone can destory a Sun... but can Phoenix create one? I haven't even talked about Superman's Green Lantern Ring or the Sword of Heaven. His Green Lantern ring is the last one in existance, has all the GL Corp power stored in it. So thats is pretty much the same as when Parallax drained the GL before, and he was able to recreate the Universe. And even though it never really describes his sword, have you noticed the name? Sword of HEAVEN... come on now, you think God is going to make him a pocket knife? I bet even Superman Dynesty could beat Dark Phoenix. He actually got his powers from a Yellow Sun but even when he fought the Anti Sun in the DC One million series with a Red Star going... he still beat the Anti Sun. Also if the two ever did fight, who would Phoenix call? Wolverine? Cyclops? Jubilee? Ice Man? Seriously... Marvel characters are all weak... Batman almost took out the entire X-Men before the JLA showed up. A lot fo you need to get off Marvel's balls.

Yes the Phoenix Force can and has produced suns, therefore, Dark Phoenix can certainly do so. Mind you, she didn't destroy the sun, she absorbed it. Anything Superman Prime can do, Phoenix Force can do, and more (this includes altering reality.) The GL ring won't help Superman Prime either, Phoenix could easily absorb it's power as well.

Who the hell does Phoenix need to call? I could name a hundred Marvel characters that could kick Superman Prime's ass, but there's no outside help, (try reading the forum rules.) You're going pretty far saying that all of Marvel's characters are weak, soley by judging the X-Men (who aren't weak at all,) and it doesn't help your argument at all.

This thread is pretty much over. It is only being kept alive by Superman fanboys who aren't giving any valid reasons why Superman would win, they're just droning, "Superman wins becase he broke into heaven, he fought so-and-so, he has the sword of heaven, blah, blah, blah." I have given you one valid reason Dark Phoenix wins; No solar power = No Superman Prime, and I could give you ten more. How about you get off of Superman's balls.

That was good Cosmic Cube.

Do you even know what you are talking about? So you think that just because it gets dark that Superman loses his powers? If you read the One Million Series... There was a Red Star and he still kept his powers. So at night time does Superman lose his powers? Nowhere in that incoherent rambling did you make any valid points what so ever. In fact I believe that it has made anyone that has read that or will read that dumber. In one of the DC / Marvel Crossovers... Darkseid contolled Dark Phoenix... and lost to the X-Men and Teen Titans. I never said that Dark Phoenix was not powerful... because she is but there is no way she could beat Superman Prime. You are retarded to think that once the lights go out that 800 centuries of stored Solar Energy is going to go away. Do us all a favor and do what Phoenix did... commit suicide.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Yeah well, this says otherwise:

Kal-El and Mon-El are angels; Lucifer is not. Neither his first or last name ends in El. 🤘

Read again.

I said that names that end in -el USUALLY reference an angel; I did not say that ALL angels have names that end in -el.

*sigh*

Originally posted by Jason8200
Do you even know what you are talking about? So you think that just because it gets dark that Superman loses his powers? If you read the One Million Series... There was a Red Star and he still kept his powers. So at night time does Superman lose his powers? Nowhere in that incoherent rambling did you make any valid points what so ever. In fact I believe that it has made anyone that has read that or will read that dumber. In one of the DC / Marvel Crossovers... Darkseid contolled Dark Phoenix... and lost to the X-Men and Teen Titans. I never said that Dark Phoenix was not powerful... because she is but there is no way she could beat Superman Prime. You are retarded to think that once the lights go out that 800 centuries of stored Solar Energy is going to go away. Do us all a favor and do what Phoenix did... commit suicide.

No need for personal attacks, good sir.

Apparently, you are the retard. Did I say "when it gets dark, Superman loses his power," or anything remotely close? No, I said "Superman Prime is basically a super-charged solar battery. Take all of his solar energy, Superman Prime dies..." When Superman Prime is devoid of solar energy, he will lose. The Phoenix can *absorb* (pay attention, now,) *ABSORB* all of Superman Prime's solar energy. All of it. That is merely one of the tactics Dark Phoenix could use. Did you forget about her telepathy? Her psionic force attacks? Her matter/energy manipulation? As I said, you have yet to give a valid reason why Superman Prime would win, and there are many many ways Dark Phoenix could defeat Superman Prime. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge them is solely at your discretion.

Originally posted by Never
Read again.

I said that names that end in -el USUALLY reference an angel; I did not say that ALL angels have names that end in -el.

*sigh*

😄 I know you didn't. But when you brought up DC suffix or whatever and Kal-El - hinting that he might be an angel - I just countered with anyone with their name ending in El. Also, just cause Superman's name ends in El, it too doesn't mean he's an angel.

Originally posted by Jason8200
Ok first of all Phoenix is powerful yes... but there is no way thats she could beat Superman Prime. Regular Superman fought Phoenix for a few minutes in the Access Series (Marvel / DC team up). When the JLA fought the X-Men. She tried to escape him to help her pu**y of a husband Cyclops but couldn't.

We're talking about Dark Phoenix here, not one that holds back.

So there is no way that she could take Superman Prime out. Ok so she can drain Suns... or destroy a solar system. Superman Prime took the Red Star in the One million Series and took it apart and absorbed all of the red energy in its core. For those of you who know... red light is supposed to make him normal and lose his powers. Not only that but after he did that, he created a new yellow Sun. Anyone can destory a Sun... but can Phoenix create one?

So he's immune to red suns, that's still not absorption. Created a sun? Phoenix is the embodiment of life/rebirth. The Phoenix Force can tap into energies of life unborn (a.k.a. yet to be borned) - the universe's stars faded when she did that. Phoenix also dealt with the M'Krann Crystal, so how does taking apart and absorbing a red star/sun compare.

I haven't even talked about Superman's Green Lantern Ring or the Sword of Heaven. His Green Lantern ring is the last one in existance, has all the GL Corp power stored in it. So thats is pretty much the same as when Parallax drained the GL before, and he was able to recreate the Universe.

Yet to be proven. Parallax absorbed the entire GL Battery. Having the last ring doesn't mean you have Parallax level powers. Think about it, if all 3599 GL's stopped using their rings for an entire week, does that mean Kyle would have Parallax level powers? No. There rings have limits; otherwise, why do they have to recharge every so often? If Prime had Parallax powers, they would've stated that since it's such an immense level to have.

Additionally, Parallax still needed to absorb the energies left over from Crisis (Pre-Crisis) to recreate the universe. He couldn't just do it on his own.

And even though it never really describes his sword, have you noticed the name? Sword of HEAVEN... come on now, you think God is going to make him a pocket knife? I bet even Superman Dynesty could beat Dark Phoenix.

Yeah. Wow. Sword of Heaven. Nice ring to it but how can it reverse Phoenix's attack? What are its powers? So it was given by the Presence from Heaven. It's still just a sword, nothing more. If it can do something worth wild, what?

As for the Superman Dynasty, Solaris was killing them off with dangerous levels of radiation. :rollseye: Yup, Phoenix ain't going to pull that one off. I'm not saying the Dynasty can't do it, but it ain't easy. Furthermore, they can beat Prime as well. 1 Million can move a galaxy with his mind, that backed up with an entire Dystany? Prime might be their ancestor and give them their solar energy, but some of them also have Imp blood in them. Prime does have that. Plus the numbers of them as well.

He actually got his powers from a Yellow Sun but even when he fought the Anti Sun in the DC One million series with a Red Star going... he still beat the Anti Sun. Also if the two ever did fight, who would Phoenix call? Wolverine? Cyclops? Jubilee? Ice Man? Seriously... Marvel characters are all weak... Batman almost took out the entire X-Men before the JLA showed up. A lot fo you need to get off Marvel's balls.

Yup. Marvel is full of weaklings. 😛

Originally posted by Jason8200
In one of the DC / Marvel Crossovers... Darkseid contolled Dark Phoenix... and lost to the X-Men and Teen Titans. I never said that Dark Phoenix was not powerful... because she is but there is no way she could beat Superman Prime.

That was Pre-Crisis Darkseid, there's a difference. Pre-Crisis Superman easily moved planets. PC Darkseid controlled BILLIONS of Daxamites using his mind, while fighting two Pre-Crisis Kryptonians, who was POWERED BY HIGHFATHER. PC Superman was afraid of PC Darkseid. Prime's mind ain't more powerful than PC Darkseid. Does he even have telepathy? Also, when Dark Phoenix was free from PC Darkseid's mind control - SHE THREW HIS ASS into the Source Wall.

You are retarded to think that once the lights go out that 800 centuries of stored Solar Energy is going to go away. Do us all a favor and do what Phoenix did... commit suicide.

She's not going to turn out DC's light, only Prime's.

phoenix will defeat supes

This isn't even a fight. DP would reaarange his molecules, dissipitate him, arrange his molecules, and rearrange them again just for fun. As Jean Grey, she is second only to professor xavier in terms of psionic power. Hell, she even held off multiple mind probes when she was bruised, beaten, and inhibited by a power disrupter (age of apocalypse). Now infused with the Phoenix entity, she becomes a god in terms of raw power. Her telepathy and telekinesis are augumented to the max and 'member as Jean Grey she's already powerful so imagine if u take an already powerful omega level telepath, multiply her abilities by a thousand folds at least with infinite cosmic force at her disposal, u get a force to reckon with. Don't even start with well Superman Primeis the sun itself so in essence he's part of the universe because the phoenix force is part of the universe and sentience. DP eats suns and stars for fun and destroyed a solar system. She has delivered the M'Kraan crystal into the heart of the sun. She form a stargate. Rachel Summers fought GALACTUS to a standstill and she was the weaker host. I don't think SupermanPrime is at her level nor close to it. Even given with a couple of free shots, DP would go in his head, make him think he's crypto, and make him shit and piss on momma kent's carpet and Jonathan wouldn't take it kindly and give him (as krypto)the people's elbow.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
No need for personal attacks, good sir.

Apparently, you are the retard. Did I say "when it gets dark, Superman loses his power," or anything remotely close? No, I said "Superman Prime is basically a super-charged solar battery. Take all of his solar energy, Superman Prime dies..." When Superman Prime is devoid of solar energy, he will lose. The Phoenix can *absorb* (pay attention, now,) *ABSORB* all of Superman Prime's solar energy. All of it. That is merely one of the tactics Dark Phoenix could use. Did you forget about her telepathy? Her psionic force attacks? Her matter/energy manipulation? As I said, you have yet to give a valid reason why Superman Prime would win, and there are many many ways Dark Phoenix could defeat Superman Prime. Whether or not you choose to acknowledge them is solely at your discretion.

just for the record superman doesnt need yellow light to live.

I don't know why people use Superman Prime in this forum. He only appeared briefly. We have little to no idea of what his powers are nor of his capabilities. We're just playing a guessing game.

Prime takes DP

Originally posted by Draco69
I don't know why people use Superman Prime in this forum. He only appeared briefly. We have little to no idea of what his powers are nor of his capabilities. We're just playing a guessing game.

Yea. Honestly last time I heard about crossovers that actual fans that know about both people they usually involve canon evidence of junk that has happened, and/or had the persons strength, and junked named. Prime appears once, and Phoenix is more in-depth of a character, and everybody knows what she can do. From all I know of Prime that I seen she could beat him but who knows all his power, and how fast he can go, and what he can do with a green lantern ring. There is no real proof of all his abilities.

All I remember is sayin is after Lois died he traveled the universe for a while before going into the sun for 15,000 years, and then MM tricks Vandel Savage into launching the last remaining Green Lantern ring to him. I don't even remember Prime coming out of the sun until after Solaris had been blown up...maybe I just don't remember or something but I could have swore that Solaris blew up, and Kyle held it in a safe as it went nova (though not without a lot of convincing from Batman, and help from Superman 1 Mil.)

If you don't know anything about Superman Prime, why say he will beat Dark Phoenix? Why even bring him up in a thread?

I never said he would...I'm wondering why people always put him in fights..Its just not right.

Wasn't talking about you, referring to 11".