Originally posted by Jason8200
Phoenix is not the same as Galactus, Entropy, or Entity. It does not say anywhere that Phoenix has been around since time began. If you could show me any evidence that she is as powerful as you say then Ill give DP some credit.
If what others say on this board, that the Phoenix draws its powers
from life yet-unborn, then I'd figure it must have been around since
the beginning to time.
But if not, the Phoenix is still probably millions of years old, around
much longer than Superman.
And even if it isn't as strong as Galactus, then that still doesn't
mean it isn't stronger than Superman Prime.
Galactus can destroy a whole solar system, even more. Even if the
Phoenix is slightly weaker than Galactus, that's still much stronger
than some guy who's been sun-tanning for 15,000 years.
And who cares about the GL ring? What can it do that Phoneix
cannot do?
Originally posted by Jason8200
So yea I just got off the phone with Stan Lee and he said you should cover yourself up with all of your comic books and light yourself on fire.
What an a** you are.
Dark Phoenix and the GL ring both draw their power from cosmic energies. GL power is drawn from the Presence itself. Where DP draws it from the M'krann Crystal. All I know is that the X-Men were able to handle her a few times... I am pretty sure Prime could hold his own. None of you who are arguing for DP are providing any evidence at all for why. "She made a sun supernova." WOW. Great evidence everyone. Dark Phoenix died when she turned the Shi'ar weapons on herself. Alot of people say it was to save the universe incase she goes crazy again.... I think it was cause she used her mind reading powers and read that there might be a crossover of her against Prime so she commited suicide. She did the right thing.
Originally posted by Jason8200
Dark Phoenix and the GL ring both draw their power from cosmic energies. GL power is drawn from the Presence itself. Where DP draws it from the M'krann Crystal. All I know is that the X-Men were able to handle her a few times... I am pretty sure Prime could hold his own. None of you who are arguing for DP are providing any evidence at all for why. "She made a sun supernova." WOW. Great evidence everyone. Dark Phoenix died when she turned the Shi'ar weapons on herself. Alot of people say it was to save the universe incase she goes crazy again.... I think it was cause she used her mind reading powers and read that there might be a crossover of her against Prime so she commited suicide. She did the right thing.
Find me evidence where the ring's power comes from the Presence. First you said the Source, now the Presence? The Source and Presence are two different things. Truth is, the ring's power comes from the Oa battery.
And where does it say Phoenix's power comes from the M'Khrann Crystal?
How would she beat him, by consuming him.
Did you even read my post before babbling what you just did?
Originally posted by chris_63256
Your telling me that prime who is basically pre supes X 10000 with the last Gl ring and the sword of heaven will be beat by Dp PLEASE. And by the way about the sword it was given to him by the presence= GOD dont you think it has Ungodly FORCe no pun intended case closed.
Where are you getting this from that he's Pre Crisis Supes X 10,000? Pre-Crisis Supes juggles planets and can recreate a solar system.
As for the last GL ring, so what? I don't know where your getting this, but that GL ring is like every other. Unless something was specified, he doesn't have Parallax or Ion level power. Heck his ring is like every other, after using a lot of it he might have to recharge the thing. It wasn't like Prime absorbed the Oa battery or anything; he just had the last ring.
As for the Sword, what has it done? What's the extent of its power over time and space?
everyone has a opinon, But I just want to say this I DO NOT want to hear anymore bulls%*t about DC characters being ridiculously over powerful I will just give three of my examples why Thanos,Sentry,Dark phoenix from what you people say all three are Dc's Presence level all three are immortal and can not be beat by anyone in DC its crazy.
Originally posted by chris_63256
everyone has a opinon, But I just want to say this I DO NOT want to hear anymore bulls%*t about DC characters being ridiculously over powerful I will just give three of my examples why Thanos,Sentry,Dark phoenix from what you people say all three are Dc's Presence level all three are immortal and can not be beat by anyone in DC its crazy.
they are imortal that doesn't mean they can't be knocked out.
and non of them are close to presence level his DC God how can they be at his level?
no one in Marvel is at his level (except TAOO) not even LT.
When did the topic go from Prime fighting Dark Phoenix to the Phoenix Force? Dark Phoenix was Jean Greys inner most hate and fear put out there... thats what created her. There would be no "Dark Phoenix" without Jean Grey. "Dark Phoenix is immortal" blah blah blah. You think if Prime is still alive after 830 centuries that doesnt mean anything? SO I asked for evidence on what she has done. Besides making a star go supernova? If she was such an important character why would it only include the X Men? Why didnt you have Spidey or Hulk or the Avengers or Captain America running to try to stop her? Apparently she was not that big of a deal. Anytime anything was big with SUperman in the DC universe you would have almost all of the heroes and alot of the times the villains teaming up to help. If you cant provide any evidence then thats fine. I have all of the Phoenix comics and have looked for evidence and have not found anything. So show me the evidence other than saying well Dark Phoenix was immortal and umm had red hair...?
Originally posted by Jason8200
If she was such an important character why would it only include the X Men? Why didnt you have Spidey or Hulk or the Avengers or Captain America running to try to stop her? Apparently she was not that big of a deal. Anytime anything was big with SUperman in the DC universe you would have almost all of the heroes and alot of the times the villains teaming up to help.
That's not a fair argument, since you can't expect every great
challenge faced by a Marvel hero or team to end up including
the other heroes and teams as well. Otherwise you would end
up with annoyingly frequent title cross-overs. Would you really
tolerate it if ever few weeks or months your favorite hero title
(say, Spider-Man) had its storyline suddenly interrupted so
that Spider-Man could go fight some super-dangerous Fantastic
Four villian? Not to mention the fact that you would then have
to spend huge amounts of money buying all the various titles
in order to follow the story (remember Secret Wars II?).
Also, having just the very strongest heroes of Marvel constantly
gathering together to face major threats would be boring. So
in Secret Wars I, one could ask why someone like Nightcrawler
is there? And why is Galactus there but not the Celestials?
Originally posted by Jason8200
Dark Phoenix and the GL ring both draw their power from cosmic energies. GL power is drawn from the Presence itself. Where DP draws it from the M'krann Crystal.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=60
The Phoenix Force is the sum and substance of all that lives. It’s cosmic energy not only represents all current life, but also future generations. To provide itself with a conscience, the Force unknowingly tapped into that future life-force, killing entire generations before they were even born.
How can u destroy a cosmic diety that is practically immortal? The Phoenix force represents all sentience and life.
Originally posted by Jason8200
When did the topic go from Prime fighting Dark Phoenix to the Phoenix Force? Dark Phoenix was Jean Greys inner most hate and fear put out there... thats what created her. There would be no "Dark Phoenix" without Jean Grey. "Dark Phoenix is immortal" blah blah blah. You think if Prime is still alive after 830 centuries that doesnt mean anything? SO I asked for evidence on what she has done. Besides making a star go supernova? If she was such an important character why would it only include the X Men? Why didnt you have Spidey or Hulk or the Avengers or Captain America running to try to stop her? Apparently she was not that big of a deal. Anytime anything was big with SUperman in the DC universe you would have almost all of the heroes and alot of the times the villains teaming up to help. If you cant provide any evidence then thats fine. I have all of the Phoenix comics and have looked for evidence and have not found anything. So show me the evidence other than saying well Dark Phoenix was immortal and umm had red hair...?
Everyone gathers because Superman is DC's flagship hero. Everybody kisses Superman's a$$. It doesn't make him more powerful since everybody showed up. And no, not the entire DC universe showed up.
During the Phoenix Saga, empires like the Shi'Ar, Kree, and Skrull were concerned. Empires, not just a collection of heroes.
And where was the Avengers, Defender, Infinity Watch, etc. when Tyrant showed up? Dormammu taking over Strange's body and who but Strange and Gaea's servant stopped Dormammu. Where were the hero's then? And what about Aron the rogue Watcher, besides the FF, where were other teams? This Watcher was planning to make the entire galaxy his own domain.