Originally posted by Gideon
Yes it is. Have you ever heard of Tribute bands - and I'm not talking about the "tributes to Van Halen" per say, but a tribute/cover band? They do it all the time, and I have seen a plethora of these cover bands in the past three years to see that they can replicate - notice how I say replicate - the music of the band that they are paying tribute to. I've seen a Led Zeppelin tribute band, a Journey tribute band, an AC/DC tribute band, and the list goes on, and these are simply local acts within the state of Kentucky and nearby Tennessee.They replicate the exact solos to a nearly flawless degree. Now, I'm not saying that they could simply jam to the degree that a Schon, Page, or Young could - but they can replicate their sounds and their music.
So, yes, it is quite true.
That proves that there are some guitarists who can replicate other guitarists. It doesn't prove your claim that any decent skilled guitarist can replicate any famous guitarist.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That proves that there are some guitarists who can replicate other guitarists. It doesn't prove your claim that any decent skilled guitarist can replicate any famous guitarist.-AC
Then allow me to correct myself: given sufficient practice, any decent guitarist (and I'm not talking about one who has trained a year or so), unless a prodigy, can imitate and replicate the guitar solos and melodies of famous musicians. I am certain that those musicians in the tribute bands I've seen aren't anything spectacular on a grand scale, and yet they did it, and because they are paying tribute to the respective bands - they manage to even get the tone of the guitar nearly identical. If memory serves me correctly, the one Van Halen tribute band I've seen (they called themselves "Han Valen", if you can imagine...) closed the show with a rendition of "Eruption". Because they have studied clips of Eddie Van Halen playing it live, they managed to replicate the feat - but, I will say that it was far from flawless. "Eruption" is extremely quick and requires agile fingers - which not everyone, including decent guitarists - possess.
But, the three gentlemen in my high school talent show also played the entire "Surfing with the Alien" album, and did it justice.
A guitarist of Neal Schon's calibre could play any Eddie Van Halen song you'd care to mention - so to say that he is lesser than Eddie is ridiculous. In fact, Sammy Hagar was on the verge of joining a band called Planet US (founded by Neal Schon). Various other guitarists - including Satriani, Slash, and Eddie Van Halen himself - were going to sign on as well. Schon formed the band when he jammed with Hagar at an impromptu concert. The setlist included Journey, Jeff Beck, Cream, The Yardbirds, and Van Halen.
The only thing that Van Halen has on Schon is innovation. When you say that Van Halen eclipsed Schon, that comes from Wikipedia, which is hardly a factual - albeit, most of the time, it is reliable - source (any one can edit it). Secondly, Van Halen wasn't repressed or restrained by any singer or other musician like Schon was. To compare the two would be ridiculous; you have to see Schon in concert (and I can guarentee that, if you look at this with any open mind, you will be simply "amazed"😉 or listen to any one of his solo albums. The closest Journey album that shows Schon at his finest would be 2005's "Generations" album.
In conclusion (and I say it with an air of finality, because there is no need for me to debate it further), with sufficient practice, any skilled guitarist can imitate another guitarist and replicate similar feats. I've seen it dozens of times to know that it's true.
See ya.
Originally posted by Gideon
Yes it is. Have you ever heard of Tribute bands - and I'm not talking about the "tributes to Van Halen" per say, but a tribute/cover band? They do it all the time, and I have seen a plethora of these cover bands in the past three years to see that they can replicate - notice how I say replicate - the music of the band that they are paying tribute to. I've seen a Led Zeppelin tribute band, a Journey tribute band, an AC/DC tribute band, and the list goes on, and these are simply local acts within the state of Kentucky and nearby Tennessee.They replicate the exact solos to a nearly flawless degree. Now, I'm not saying that they could simply jam to the degree that a Schon, Page, or Young could - but they can replicate their sounds and their music.
So, yes, it is quite true.
No, you didn't say 'there are tribute bands that can replicate the bands they are emulating'.
You said, 'any decently skilled guitarist can quite easily replicate the music of any famous guitarist.'
That's complete bullshit.
*edit*
I see you have changed it to:
'given sufficient practice, any decent guitarist (and I'm not talking about one who has trained a year or so), unless a prodigy, can imitate and replicate the guitar solos and melodies of famous musicians.'
Not sure what that point achieves, but there we go.
*Second edit*
****ing hold on. Journey?
Originally posted by Gideon
Then allow me to correct myself: given sufficient practice, any decent guitarist (and I'm not talking about one who has trained a year or so), unless a prodigy, can imitate and replicate the guitar solos and melodies of famous musicians. I am certain that those musicians in the tribute bands I've seen aren't anything spectacular on a grand scale, and yet they did it, and because they are paying tribute to the respective bands - they manage to even get the tone of the guitar nearly identical. If memory serves me correctly, the one Van Halen tribute band I've seen (they called themselves "Han Valen", if you can imagine...) closed the show with a rendition of "Eruption". Because they have studied clips of Eddie Van Halen playing it live, they managed to replicate the feat - but, I will say that it was far from flawless. "Eruption" is extremely quick and requires agile fingers - which not everyone, including decent guitarists - possess.But, the three gentlemen in my high school talent show also played the entire "Surfing with the Alien" album, and did it justice.
So, as said above, you've changed your entire debate and to further the speculatory bullshit, you're making a claim that you can't prove and I can't prove wrong, to back it up. That's a coward tactic.
In conclusion, you can't prove anything and your claims of "Any decently skilled guitarist can imitate any famous guitarist." was bullshit, is bullshit and will remain bullshit.
We've (You've) gone from "People can exactly replicate Eruption." to "It was far from flawless.", saying that not even mere decent guitarists possess such talent. They don't, because if it was anything of "decent" playability, it wouldn't be as revered.
Originally posted by Gideon
A guitarist of Neal Schon's calibre could play any Eddie Van Halen song you'd care to mention - so to say that he is lesser than Eddie is ridiculous. In fact, Sammy Hagar was on the verge of joining a band called Planet US (founded by Neal Schon). Various other guitarists - including Satriani, Slash, and Eddie Van Halen himself - were going to sign on as well. Schon formed the band when he jammed with Hagar at an impromptu concert. The setlist included Journey, Jeff Beck, Cream, The Yardbirds, and Van Halen.
It's not ridiculous, technical skill is rated by invention also. Schon or a Schon-level guitarist couldn't have written Eruption, because they're not good enough. Simple as. You're saying that if taught, someone can learn. Yes, what's the point? It exists, it's been tabbed and there are guitarists out there that can play it, but they cannot replicate the song as you suggest they can.
Originally posted by Gideon
The only thing that Van Halen has on Schon is innovation. When you say that Van Halen eclipsed Schon, that comes from Wikipedia, which is hardly a factual - albeit, most of the time, it is reliable - source (any one can edit it). Secondly, Van Halen wasn't repressed or restrained by any singer or other musician like Schon was. To compare the two would be ridiculous; you have to see Schon in concert (and I can guarentee that, if you look at this with any open mind, you will be simply "amazed"😉 or listen to any one of his solo albums. The closest Journey album that shows Schon at his finest would be 2005's "Generations" album.
It didn't come from Wikipedia, it comes from it actually happening, and Wikipedia recognising it. It's not made up, he did overshadow him.
Van Halen is a better guitarist because he is skilled enough to come along after so many standard-setters and set standards of his own, do things that had never been done (And still haven't.) and leave a mark. What did Schon do? Make a name for himself, that's about it. You are saying "Schon is this good because I am impressed heavily.". That doesn't work.
Originally posted by Gideon
In conclusion (and I say it with an air of finality, because there is no need for me to debate it further), with sufficient practice, any skilled guitarist can imitate another guitarist and replicate similar feats. I've seen it dozens of times to know that it's true.
That's bullshit. No random skilled guitarist can start playing Midnight by Joe Satriani, and you're honestly silly if you think otherwise.
Slash performed with Michael Jackson and had to change the Beat It solo because he couldn't play it. I dare say he's more skilled than those you "saw". I say "saw" because it's quite possible you're bsing in order to (Unsuccessfully.) aid your debate.
Originally posted by Gideon
See ya.
Bye (You will be back, let's not kid ourselves.).
-AC
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
I'm gonna have to say Eric Clapton, Tom Morrello, and George Harrison.I never thought Hendrix was that amazing and I never liked any of his songs. People will prolly go ape-sh*t over me saying this but I think Jimi is overrated.
He isn't.
Without Jimi no Prince or Funkadelic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7e8vQT4hZA&mode=related&search=
^ I just found this. A 9-year-old playing SSB and "Eruption".
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hahaha, he plays a bit of the intro and it's sloppy as hell.-AC
Never said the kid was as refined as Eddie. But the sheer fact that he's basically out of the Pampers stage (exaggeration) and can do it decently is impressive.
Hey, do me a favor, bust out your guitar and play "Eruption" for me. I've been waiting to see some of this revered guitar ability you seem to possess. I've never met a rock god before.
As evidenced in PM, you lack the ability to read what I'm saying.
You told me my claim was "Nobody can play Van Halen but Van Halen.". I said nobody can play it as good. "As good" as I have said before, doesn't necessarily mean note for note. Van Halen is more than that. Jeff Beck can play Hendrix, he can't play it as good as Hendrix.
Your claim was that any decent guitarist can play any famous guitar part.
I've not claimed anything besides what you've seen me claim. You've made claims such as the one I just quoted.
-AC