Maybe you guys use different terminology, but basically sweetpicking is strumming while hitting varying notes with the left, it is pretty much the most difficult way to shred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2L8CSqlvPY
First video of it that I could find, he does it twice that I saw.
Also, ability to play anything for some people comes from technique and practice. With enough of both you can play anything. The difference between the greats and those people is that the greats write and challenge that sort of thing, their consistency and ingenuity, combined with the ease that they do it combined with their speed and perfection.
This:
Originally posted by Nellinator
Also, ability to play anything for some people comes from technique and practice. With enough of both you can play anything.
Doesn't coincide with this:
Originally posted by Nellinator
The difference between the greats and those people is that the greats write and challenge that sort of thing, their consistency and ingenuity, combined with the ease that they do it combined with their speed and perfection.
Some people have it and some just do not, that's the way talent goes. Hendrix had something that nobody else will ever have, arguably. He was my age when he was one of the best, ever, on this planet. Bearing in mind he died at 26.
It's not realistic to say "With enough practice anybody can play anything.", because it doesn't work that way.
-AC
Did it not occur to you that not everyone possesses the same skill?
Gilbert is one of the technical best, as is Vai, as is Satch. They can't ALL do the same things just because they are wizards. You seem to think that once you reach a certain point, you gain the ability to do stuff, as if it's World of Warcraft. That's not the case.
-AC
I don't really know what you mean when you say "play anything". but I doubt that any guitarist can play anything, if it's supposed to sound good. Of course one can learn all kinds of different techniques and approaches, but by saying "being able to play anything" i suppose you mean also being able to play different genres and such. I mostly play jazz guitar, and even though I've only played for a couple of years I find it hard to play rock, without putting in jazz elements in it. For example playing solos mostly based on pentatonic relationships instead of using the greed mods that is the usual approach in jazz.
But maybe I have just misinterpreted the whole discussion...
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriObviously their talents are distributed differently, but give them the notation and they could each do it. The differences in certain skills would likely determine the time it takes them to learn different parts and the ease, speed and fluidity of playing in those parts, but they could do it.
Did it not occur to you that not everyone possesses the same skill?Gilbert is one of the technical best, as is Vai, as is Satch. They can't ALL do the same things just because they are wizards. You seem to think that once you reach a certain point, you gain the ability to do stuff, as if it's World of Warcraft. That's not the case.
-AC
Originally posted by vaniceI basically mean that given the notation a highly skilled guitarist can play any others notation. Same goes on most instruments, the difference is in whether or not they can compose it and the ease, speed, and fluidity that they play it with.
I don't really know what you mean when you say "play anything". but I doubt that any guitarist can play anything, if it's supposed to sound good. Of course one can learn all kinds of different techniques and approaches, but by saying "being able to play anything" i suppose you mean also being able to play different genres and such. I mostly play jazz guitar, and even though I've only played for a couple of years I find it hard to play rock, without putting in jazz elements in it. For example playing solos mostly based on pentatonic relationships instead of using the greed mods that is the usual approach in jazz.
But maybe I have just misinterpreted the whole discussion...
Originally posted by Nellinator
Obviously their talents are distributed differently, but give them the notation and they could each do it. The differences in certain skills would likely determine the time it takes them to learn different parts and the ease, speed and fluidity of playing in those parts, but they could do it.
That's not true. Them being highly skilled doesn't mean they could do it to the same level of quality, or do it at all.
You're just guessing.
Eruption just happens to be a noteworthy guitar track that people can possibly play. That doesn't mean any skilled guitarist can play anything ever.
That's just ridiculous.
-AC
Originally posted by Nellinator
Obviously their talents are distributed differently, but give them the notation and they could each do it. The differences in certain skills would likely determine the time it takes them to learn different parts and the ease, speed and fluidity of playing in those parts, but they could do it. I basically mean that given the notation a highly skilled guitarist can play any others notation. Same goes on most instruments, the difference is in whether or not they can compose it and the ease, speed, and fluidity that they play it with.
It seems an attractive idea, but it's not actually true.
Eric Clapton admitted in an interview that he physically can't emulate Vai and Satriani. Others may be able to, but it's not a club where you gain entrance and then can play anything.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's not true. Them being highly skilled doesn't mean they could do it to the same level of quality, or do it at all.You're just guessing.
Eruption just happens to be a noteworthy guitar track that people can possibly play. That doesn't mean any skilled guitarist can play anything ever.
That's just ridiculous.
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomEmulate is pretty open ended and probably true if you are going for perfection, but even if we assume he means the inability to play it at all it's still different. Clapton is not someone who has really experimented in guitar techniques and really works on that sort of thing, he likes his blues and seems to stick with it. I think he's the best blues guitarist there is save maybe B.B. King.
It seems an attractive idea, but it's not actually true.Eric Clapton admitted in an interview that he physically can't emulate Vai and Satriani. Others may be able to, but it's not a club where you gain entrance and then can play anything.
Originally posted by Nellinator
There are still a lot of people that can. How many people are on youTube performing awesome stuff on the guitar and replicating guitar greats? Lots and there even more who can. Ability does not make one great, innovation, fluidity, stage presence, compostional skills etc. along with skill seperate the true greats from the high skilled.
Which is precisely why people in this thread are going overboard by saying "Yeah I know ten guys who can play Eruption, maaaaan.". Being able to play something doesn't make you as good.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Clapton is not someone who has really experimented in guitar techniques and really works on that sort of thing, he likes his blues and seems to stick with it. I think he's the best blues guitarist there is save maybe B.B. King.
Why don't we just take Clapton's word for it on his own ability?
Is it ok if we do that?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI know more than ten that can play it, which is a fact, but I doubt you'll believe it and I doubt you'll take my word for it...
Which is precisely why people in this thread are going overboard by saying "Yeah I know ten guys who can play Eruption, maaaaan.". Being able to play something doesn't make you as good.Why don't we just take Clapton's word for it on his own ability?
Is it ok if we do that?
-AC
I did take his word for it. What are you talking about?
Originally posted by Nellinator
Emulate is pretty open ended and probably true if you are going for perfection, but even if we assume he means the inability to play it at all it's still different. Clapton is not someone who has really experimented in guitar techniques and really works on that sort of thing, he likes his blues and seems to stick with it. I think he's the best blues guitarist there is save maybe B.B. King.
This is what you said:
'I basically mean that given the notation a highly skilled guitarist can play any others notation. '
The highly skilled guitarist- Eric Clapton.
The other's notation- something by Steve Vai.
He has confirmed that he physically can't play what Vai plays. Therefore your statement is wrong.
You can't move the goalposts after I reply, and then say I didn't score.
Originally posted by Nellinator
I know more than ten that can play it, which is a fact, but I doubt you'll believe it and I doubt you'll take my word for it...
You're right, it doesn't make you good, but it does have something to do with skill and my point the entire time has been that playing a song as per notation can be done by a lot of people.I did take his word for it. What are you talking about?
So how did you go from any guitar part ever can be played by any skilled guitarist, to a song CAN be played?
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von DoomI just explained why and I also pointed out that emulate is so open ended that it doesn't bring any reasonable closure to what he actually meant. Second, I think Clatpton is underestimating himself.
This is what you said:'I basically mean that given the notation a highly skilled guitarist can play any others notation. '
The highly skilled guitarist- Eric Clapton.
The other's notation- something by Steve Vai.
He has confirmed that he physically can't play what Vai plays. Therefore your statement is wrong.
You can't move the goalposts after I reply, and then say I didn't score.
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriI didn't.
So how did you go from any guitar part ever can be played by any skilled guitarist, to a song CAN be played?-AC
Originally posted by Nellinator
I just explained why and I also pointed out that emulate is so open ended that it doesn't bring any reasonable closure to what he actually meant. Second, I think Clatpton is underestimating himself.
I didn't.
So it has got to the point of telling us that Clapton was wrong about himself?
He knows more of guitar ability and his ability than you, I don't think you have the right to be so presumptuous as to say Clapton is wrong.
-AC