HULK & JUGGERNAUT vs DOOMSDAY

i would like to give you a demonstration to let you know that hulk is stronger than both superman and doomsday. when superman and doomsday was going all out in metropolis, they were shattering windows. when hulk and onslaught was fighting, every swing of a punch that they were making, created a tornadoe's, no one could get close enough to witness the fight, trees was uprooting and everyone was flying back.
With that fight with warpath, juggernaut was laughing at his effort but unlike doomsday who was getting pummeled by maxima and knocked thru gas tanks by weaklings, that you dont even see in comics, thats pretty impressive huh.
You say that doomsday to a 1000 nukes but he got disintigrated by imperex, wow, what great durability. you say that doomsday have great durability but when he fought superman again superman was slicing thru him with a sword, (which he healed it afterwords). Juggernaut durability is on another level and his strength is unlimited. If juggernaut wanted to, he can put up his force field and walk thru anything that doomsday throws at him but he chooses not to do that because he is totally indestructible already, he dont have to.
Like i said before jinzin learn more on juggernaut before responding on how a battle would go between him and juggernaut.

this is a tough battle to judge.

<<Juggernaut durability is on another level and his strength is unlimited.>>

onslaught ko'd juggs pretty quickly before the whole showdown began. war hulk also smacked him around pretty easily. doomsday would beat juggs. doomsday and hulk would be a great battle but i don't think hulk could reach the necessary strength quickly enough. supes handled dd the second time only because he was armed with apokolips tech - otherwise he would have been wasted - eventually he WAS losing anyway - even WITH the tech.

darkseid has battled supes to a standstill, supes has beaten/matched hulk and dd crushed darkseid. that is another argument against hulk winning, though i don't always buy those associative type comparisons.

bottom line in my book - doomsday certainly COULD beat them both, (he was created to be unstoppable) but hulk would give him more trouble, and if hulk survived long enough, hulk alone might be capable of downing him.

Tough battle? doomsday would get trashed hard. Crossovers are crap, how on earth is batman faster than, hulk? how is venom, beating superman, along with, jean grey who was keeping supes at bay, spiderman, the terminators, all have delievered supes a beating the jla fighting the x-men. Juggernaut losing to wonderwoman was the biggest crap i have ever seen. She would get her ass handed to her a million times by juggernaut, she stands no chance.

doomsday cant beat either of these guys alone nevermind 2gether.

Originally posted by leonidas
onslaught ko'd juggs pretty quickly before the whole showdown began. war hulk also smacked him around pretty easily. doomsday would beat juggs.

And War Hulk had celestial teched armor. It nullified Juggernaut's power.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is a tough battle to judge.

<<Juggernaut durability is on another level and his strength is unlimited.>>

onslaught ko'd juggs pretty quickly before the whole showdown began. war hulk also smacked him around pretty easily. doomsday would beat juggs. doomsday and hulk would be a great battle but i don't think hulk could reach the necessary strength quickly enough. supes handled dd the second time only because he was armed with apokolips tech - otherwise he would have been wasted - eventually he WAS losing anyway - even WITH the tech.

darkseid has battled supes to a standstill, supes has beaten/matched hulk and dd crushed darkseid. that is another argument against hulk winning, though i don't always buy those associative type comparisons.

bottom line in my book - doomsday certainly COULD beat them both, (he was created to be unstoppable) but hulk would give him more trouble, and if hulk survived long enough, hulk alone might be capable of downing him.

Darkseid fears Superman. Superman defeated Professor Hulk, and he stalemated Savage Hulk twice.

Onslaught knocking out Juggernaut doesn't prove anything. Onslaught is a psionic being, and Doomsday is nothing compared to him by any means whatsoever. Doomsday isn't going to damage Juggernaut.

There is no evidence proving that Doomsday is stronger than Hulk or Juggernaut to begin with.

This isn't a tough fight. Juggernaut and Hulk will tear him apart.

yah, but savage hulk did pretty well against onslaught going so far as to shatter his armor. hulk would give dd more trouble than juggs in my eyes. and as i said - he could conceiveably win against dd - i just don't think he could attain a sufficient level of strength quick enough. if he went INTO the battle enraged, that's a different story.

<<And War Hulk had celestial teched armor. It nullified Juggernaut's power.>>

true, but he was clearly the stronger of the two at least.

<<Crossovers are crap,>>

regardless, they remain our only measuring sticks. (and i'm not sure why everyone says spidey beat supes - if its the old x-over, he punched him and caught supes off guard - beat him? not that i've ever seen.) by saying what you've said, you obviously think hulk or juggs would thrash supes. i couldn't disagree with that more, but your view seems pretty entrenched and i won't bother baiting or arguing the point. WW is also very nearly on par with supes - i don't think her beating juggs is THAT far a stretch, though i'd say that one is more dead even.

Originally posted by leonidas
yah, but savage hulk did pretty well against onslaught going so far as to shatter his armor. hulk would give dd more trouble than juggs in my eyes. and as i said - he could conceiveably win against dd - i just don't think he could attain a sufficient level of strength quick enough. if he went INTO the battle enraged, that's a different story.

<<And War Hulk had celestial teched armor. It nullified Juggernaut's power.>>

true, but he was clearly the stronger of the two at least.

<<Crossovers are crap,>>

regardless, they remain our only measuring sticks. (and i'm not sure why everyone says spidey beat supes - if its the old x-over, he punched him and caught supes off guard - beat him? not that i've ever seen.) by saying what you've said, you obviously think hulk or juggs would thrash supes. i couldn't disagree with that more, but your view seems pretty entrenched and i won't bother baiting or arguing the point. WW is also very nearly on par with supes - i don't think her beating juggs is THAT far a stretch, though i'd say that one is more dead even.

You're argument is respectable, but there are a couple flaws. Jean Grey had increased Hulk's anger to unimaginiable levels when he fought Onslaught. His strength had been increased exponentially. Doomsday nor Superman could match the level of strength Hulk was at when he destroyed Onslaught's armor. Even then, Onslaught wasn't defeated.

Hulk's base strength is not really defined. Long ago, it was 70 tons, but characters change. The Hulk has undergone many upgrades since 1961. His "calm strength" isn't specified. Regardless, when is Hulk calm?

Wonder Woman's best bet is lassoing Juggernaut, or using some sort of magic. Even then, she might not stop him.

i'm not sure we're really debating here, but your first point sort of backs up my statement about dd perhaps being able to take them both. regardless, i was simply saying that i think hulk would give dd a tougher time. i THINK you're in agreement there. and you're right - hulk's base is a bit fuzzy, but i believe it would be significantly lower than dd's strength which is somewhere well above supes. would the difference be great enough that dd could seriously injure hulk before the fight really gets going? maybe.

there's also the unresolved issue of dd's speed that would play a big roll in the fight. if hulk DID fall, juggs wouldn't last too much longer i don't think. i brought up the issue of onslaught only as an example that a strong enough force is more than capable of ko'ing juggs - powers working or not. it's also why i think dd is CAPABLE of taking them both - in theory. as i said, if the battle happened in a book, i doubt it would end this way. EIETHR way, it would be a hellafight!

Well, we've see Hulk moving tectonic plates and lifting mountains (not in the Secret Wars,) in a completely calm state. When enraged, we've seen Hulk knock the Earth from of it's orbit, and destroy a planetoid with twice the Earth's mass. Those aren't his greatest feats of strength, either. There really isn't any reason to assume that Superman or Doomsday are vastly superior to Hulk in strength. Superman at max is probably a quite bit stronger than Hulk is when calm, but the fact is that Hulk doesn't have a max.

Hulk's strength doesn't increase in a linear fashion. There is no equation for Hulk's strength increases. All that is known is that Hulk draws strength (and apparently mass,) from an extradimensional source with limitless reserves. There are numerous factors that influence the Hulk's strength increases, it's not limited to anger. Hence, time isn't really a factor.

Do you have anything to attest to Doomsday's alleged "equal to Flash" speed?

there is no way that juggernaut is out of this fight, out of all 3 he is the most invulnerable, he dont have a measurement in strength. imo doomsday could lose to either one.

it was a bad choice to use the fight with onslaught since it took the entire marvel universe to stop this being. The guy created another sun just by thinking of it. cosmic cube you were right about jean increase hulk to a level that he has never reached his entire career. That hulk would beat doomsday and superman with one punch, might kill them. with the wave of both of there hands they were creating tornadoes. Juggernaut can just put up his force field and it wont be nothing that doomsday to do that would even slow him down (but he rarely uses it). How are you going to say that juggernaut is a none factor, when he koed hulk in 3 punches, it took a upgrade for hulk to even beat juggernaut (war hulk). and the fight between hulk and superman are always a stalemate (leaving superman questioning hulk strength).out of the 3 contestants juggernaut is the most durable and the most unstoppable, unless you have a telepath around.

as i stated before, if doomsday is so unstoppable and cant be hurt, imperex seem to do a good job at disintigrating him, hmm make me think, could he even beat spiderman, just playing. But if he was to come to marvel universe he wouldnt be such a big threat, he would be a everyday common villian.

leonidas you brought up 2 powerhouses that took juggernaut down (actually war hulk didnt ko juggernaut or did any physical harm to him, he was just standing over a shocked juggernauts body). While doomsday was getting the breaks beaten out of him by maxima. Name a single hero or villian that gave juggernaut a challenge like maxima did (excluding hulk, he can give anybody a challenge). You cant, it takes teams to stop him. Thor tried but got slaughtered, colossus tried but got slaughtered, magneto tried but got koed (during the sentinel saga.)

Is he your second fave?

Originally posted by derrick24
leonidas you brought up 2 powerhouses that took juggernaut down (actually war hulk didnt ko juggernaut or did any physical harm to him, he was just standing over a shocked juggernauts body). While doomsday was getting the breaks beaten out of him by maxima. Name a single hero or villian that gave juggernaut a challenge like maxima did (excluding hulk, he can give anybody a challenge). You cant, it takes teams to stop him. Thor tried but got slaughtered, colossus tried but got slaughtered, magneto tried but got koed (during the sentinel saga.)

now that was funny whirlysplat.

good to see you in here, even though youre not going to prove anything.

i like all characters i dont have a favor (except wolverine), i like superman, juggernaut, holocaust lol, all characters. I know what each of these characters are capable of and i post what i think is the truth.

Originally posted by derrick24
good to see you in here, even though youre not going to prove anything.

Originally posted by derrick24
i like all characters i dont have a favor (except wolverine), i like superman, juggernaut, holocaust lol, all characters. I know what each of these characters are capable of and i post what i think is the truth.

who are u going for.