Superman Prime vs Hulk...armwrestle

Started by Cosmic Cube5 pages
Originally posted by spetznaz
Let me break it down this way.
The Hulk, in a fight, would find normal Superman a challenge. Given enough time the Hulk could get stronger than current Superman and bring him down. But all in all, whoever won, it would be a fight.
Superman Prime is the current Superman after millenia (note: millenia) of gaining strength. He is so potent that the future Supermen use him as a fount of power to augment their strengths. And note that these future descendants of Kal-El are extremely powerful themselves, having kryptonian abilities as well as abilities stemming from the 5th dimension (where Mr Mxpltlk, or however you write that, comes from). YET THEY DRAW EXTRA POWER FROM PRIME.
Also note that Superman Prime is far more powerful than the Pre Crisis version of Kal El who could juggle planets and do all sorts of crazy stuff with no effort (he blew away a galaxy with a sneeze).
Hence, let me ask you. Using logic, do you really think the Hulk has any chance against Superman Prime? A guy who has been soaking up solar energy for millenia? A guy who is in essence a god for the future supermen?
The Hulk, even with his rage induced strength upgrades, would need (at the very least) a couple of centuries to come close to Prime's level of power. Personally i think it would take a couple of millenia at least. And even then who knows how the Hulk may handle it. Maybe he does have an upper limit, but an upper limit so high that it might as well be limitless. With Prime would come an opportunity to see just how high that upper limit is.
In any case, the Hulk wouldn't have a prayer against Superman Prime.
Not a single prayer.

He doesn't have to "charge" anger, he would have to be under a certain amount of stress. He wouldn't have to stay angry for years. His strength could go from 1,000 tons straight to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons in no time, flat, and continue to rise as the stressor increases, not as the time passes.

If he was arm wrestling for Betty's life, or something like that, Hulk would win.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
He doesn't have to "charge" anger, he would have to be under a certain amount of stress. He wouldn't have to stay angry for years. His strength could go from 1,000 tons straight to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons in no time, flat, and continue to rise as the stressor increases, not as the time passes.

If he was arm wrestling for Betty's life, or something like that, Hulk would win.


1) The Hulk's mind would fry before he got angry enough for his strength to 'go from 1,000 tons straight to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons in no time flat.' Oh, and he starts from a 100 tons not a 1,000 tons. It would stress him to do the 100 - 1000 tons, let alone the figure you put up there. Infact i am willing to doubt he could even lift the amount you put up there.
In case you are wondering that is 1 sextillion metric tons (1 followed by 18 zeros). The weight of the Earth is 5.978 sextillion metric tons (5.978 followed by 18 zeros). I doubt the Hulk can get that strong.
But, for the sake of argument, let's assume he can go from 100 tons to 1 sextillion metric tons in a blink of an eye (he can't, but let's say he could). Ok, we have a multi-colored (TM) Hulk that is currently operating at 1 sextillion.
Look at Superman - the Pre-Crisis Superman.
He could JUGGLE planets. Move planets. Meaning he was far stronger than the weight of the earth, since he could move it, and far stronger since he could move several planets at the same time. Hence Pre-Crisis Superman is far stronger than multi-colored Hulk!
Now, let's look at Superman Prime.
He is the strongest Superman ever. Bar none. Even Pre-Crisis. Prime was considered a veritable god by the future Supermen.
Seriously, using logic, how in goodness name is the Hulk (even my imaginary multi-colored variant) supposed to beat someone who makes Pre-Crisis Superman look like a chump?
This is not even a contest i tell ya!

Well if were talking about a simple arm wrestling match, normal superman would win.

The Hulk starts out around 90-150 class strength, superman has 1000, so it wouldnt take prime.

I thought we were talking about fighting.

This is a comic book forum, not an anthropology seminar. Hulk's brain wouldn't "fry" and if it did, thats the purpose for regeneration. All it took was a couple of lame insults from Reed Richards to allow Hulk to lift 150,000,000,000 tons (something Superman has never done.) Hulk doesn't have any limitations on how strong he can get. Superman Prime is more powerful. Hulk is stronger.

IRTMU, What are your sources? If it isn't Marvel, it's incorrect, and I know Marvel doesnt specify Hulk's base strength is. It could be 150 tons, or it could be 150,000 tons or more. You don't know what Hulk's strength "starts out at." No one does.

Let's not dwell on BS feats like juggling planets. It is physically impossible, as to "juggle" a planet it would have to be falling. Falling is relative to gravitational pull. Note that a heavenly body weighs considerably less in the absence of gravty. If Hulk can throw something as small as a gem to the center of the earth, he has more than enough power to move the earth.

Hulk can't go from 100 to 10 x 10^16 tons in the blink of an eye? Who are you to say so? Do you have any evidence proving that he can't, or are you ASSUMING that he can't?

Superman Prime couldn't do half of the crap Pre-Crisis Superman could do "strength"-wise, (or should I say "bullshit"-wise.) He may be more powerful, but Pre-Crisis Superman could do anything with his strength.

Most of Superman's "strength" is a extremely short range form of tactile telekinesis.

If Hulk is armwrestling for Betty's life or safety, He won't lose.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
All it took was a couple of lame insults from Reed Richards to allow Hulk to lift 150,000,000,000 tons (something Superman has never done.)

Funny! In your last post you said that '. His strength could go from 1,000 tons straight to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons in no time,' yet now it is only 150,000,000,000 tons? Hmmm.
Oh, and by the way Superman has done strength feats the Hulk has never done. The greatest act by the Hulk has been keeping a mountain from crushing his fellow heroes, as well as that nifty thing he did with Onslaught. Superman has moved planets.

IRTMU, What are your sources? If it isn't Marvel, it's incorrect, and I know Marvel doesnt specify Hulk's base strength is. It could be 150 tons, or it could be 150,000 tons or more. You don't know what Hulk's strength "starts out at." No one does.

You asked IRTMU, but i'll answer this. Marvel itself states that the Hulk's strength (Green) is at 100 tons. Grey Hulk oscillates around 65-70 tons. Marvel states that. They do say that Green Hulk can increase his strength with rage, but it starts at 100 for Green Hulk. If you have a problem with that write Marvel.

Let's not dwell on BS feats like juggling planets. It is physically impossible, as to "juggle" a planet it would have to be falling. Falling is relative to gravitational pull. Note that a heavenly body weighs considerably less in the absence of gravty. If Hulk can throw something as small as a gem to the center of the earth, he has more than enough power to move the earth.

Goodness. Like i told someone else these are comics we are talking about. And if juggling planets is BS, how can you explain someone being caught in a gamma burst (in essence a nuclear detonation) and instead of perishing turning into a MUSCULAR GREEN RAGING BEAST?
Oh, and as for 'heavenly body weighs considerably less in the absence of gravity' you should note that that only applies for weight! Mass is different from weight and constant with or without gravity (and before you make another post asking WTF there is a difference between mass and weight).

Hulk can't go from 100 to 10 x 10^16 tons in the blink of an eye? Who are you to say so? Do you have any evidence proving that he can't, or are you ASSUMING that he can't?

Easiest question to answer. But before i do why don't you prove your assertions first. You are the only who claims the Hulk can lift a fifth the mass of the earth in a blink of an eye (when you said he could lift a sextillion metric tons). Prove it!
Anyways, to answer your question. The Hulk doesn't exist, neither does Superman. Hence there is no way to quantify what they can or not do. Thus the use of what their respective writers have made them do.
Marvel has shown the Hulk doing immense things like lifting an entire mountain, and ripping the armor of Onslaught.
DC has shown Superman Pre-Crisis juggling planets, sneezing a galaxy away, and all that stuff. And they have made Superman Prime into the most powerful Superman ever, so astounding he can affect TIME AND SPACE!
Superman Prime is beyond the Hulk.
And it will be that way until Marvel decides to show the Hulk having enough strength to affect time itself.
Again, these are comics. Character A is as powerful as writer A makes him to be. If Writer A makes Character A silver in color, and able to ride space in a surfboard and be a herald for a gigantic eater of planers - so it is. If Writer B makes his character into a green numbskull with enormous strength, so it is.
DC made Superman Prime the epitome of strength.
Marvel made Hulk the epitome of strength.
DC made Prime stronger than Hulk.

[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by spetznaz
Funny! In your last post you said that '. His strength could go from 1,000 tons straight to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons in no time,' yet now it is only 150,000,000,000 tons? Hmmm.

Obviously, I was saying that Hulk's strength increase allowed him to support 150,000,000,000 tons with minimal aggravation (a few insults.) I was not implying that 150,000,000,000 tons was his limit. I was also asserting that Hulk's strength can jump any span in a short time. When Molecule Man dropped the mountain on Hulk, he didn't give Hulk a chance to get angry. Hulk's strength instantly jumped from whatever his base strength is to 150 billion tons.

Originally posted by spetznaz
You asked IRTMU, but i'll answer this. Marvel itself states that the Hulk's strength (Green) is at 100 tons. Grey Hulk oscillates around 65-70 tons. Marvel states that. They do say that Green Hulk can increase his strength with rage, but it starts at 100 for Green Hulk. If you have a problem with that write Marvel.

Show me where *Marvel* states this. According to the official "Marvel Encyclopedia: Incredible Hulk," in a relatively calm state, Hulk can lift more than 100 tons. They also say that Hulk has access to limitless strength. Superman Prime doesn't have that, does he?

Originally posted by spetznaz
Goodness. Like i told someone else these are comics we are talking about. And if juggling planets is BS, how can you explain someone being caught in a gamma burst (in essence a nuclear detonation) and instead of perishing turning into a MUSCULAR GREEN RAGING BEAST?
Oh, and as for 'heavenly body weighs considerably less in the absence of gravity' you should note that that only applies for weight! Mass is different from weight and constant with or without gravity (and before you make another post asking WTF there is a difference between mass and weight).

You have just proven my point. I have taken physics, I know there is a difference between mass and weight, that's why I made the statement. A watermelon on earth doesn't have the same weight as a watermelon in space, though they have the same mass. A planetoid in space doesn't weight the same as a planetoid on earth, though they has the same mass. Try to understand that. Most comic books follow physical science to some extent. Except for early Superman comics.

Originally posted by spetznaz

Easiest question to answer. But before i do why don't you prove your assertions first. You are the only who claims the Hulk can lift a fifth the mass of the earth in a blink of an eye (when you said he could lift a sextillion metric tons). Prove it!
Anyways, to answer your question. The Hulk doesn't exist, neither does Superman. Hence there is no way to quantify what they can or not do. Thus the use of what their respective writers have made them do.
Marvel has shown the Hulk doing immense things like lifting an entire mountain, and ripping the armor of Onslaught.
DC has shown Superman Pre-Crisis juggling planets, sneezing a galaxy away, and all that stuff. And they have made Superman Prime into the most powerful Superman ever, so astounding he can affect TIME AND SPACE!
Superman Prime is beyond the Hulk.
And it will be that way until Marvel decides to show the Hulk having enough strength to affect time itself.
Again, these are comics. Character A is as powerful as writer A makes him to be. If Writer A makes Character A silver in color, and able to ride space in a surfboard and be a herald for a gigantic eater of planers - so it is. If Writer B makes his character into a green numbskull with enormous strength, so it is.
DC made Superman Prime the epitome of strength.
Marvel made Hulk the epitome of strength.
DC made Prime stronger than Hulk. [/B]

Superman Prime doesn't use strength to affect time and space does he? Does he just start punching time and space until it obeys him? Superman Prime cannot juggle planets, or sneeze out solar systems (not galaxies.) DC has long since abandoned such tomfoolery.

DC made Superman Prime more powerful than Hulk, not stronger.

I agree that In a fight, Superman Prime would win, no question. In a test of strength, Hulk wins with the proper motivation.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

Obviously, I was saying that Hulk's strength increase allowed him to support 150,000,000,000 tons with minimal aggravation (a few insults.) I was not implying that 150,000,000,000 tons was his limit. I was also asserting that Hulk's strength can jump any span in a short time. When Molecule Man dropped the mountain on Hulk, he didn't give Hulk a chance to get angry. Hulk's strength instantly jumped from whatever his base strength is to 150 billion tons.

Show me where *Marvel* states this. According to the official "Marvel Encyclopedia: Incredible Hulk," in a relatively calm state, Hulk can lift more than 100 tons. They also say that Hulk has access to limitless strength. Superman Prime doesn't have that, does he?

You have just proven my point. I have taken physics, I know there is a difference between mass and weight, that's why I made the statement. A watermelon on earth doesn't have the same weight as a watermelon in space, though they have the same mass. A planetoid in space doesn't weight the same as a planetoid on earth, though they has the same mass. Try to understand that. Most comic books follow physical science to some extent. Except for early Superman comics.

Superman Prime doesn't use strength to affect time and space does he? Does he just start punching time and space until it obeys him? Superman Prime cannot juggle planets, or sneeze out solar systems (not galaxies.) DC has long since abandoned such tomfoolery.

DC made Superman Prime more powerful than Hulk, not stronger.

I agree that In a fight, Superman Prime would win, no question. In a test of strength, Hulk wins with the proper motivation. [/QUOTE]

I really despise arguing with fanboys since they seem to be beyond all logic (eg the belief that the Hulk can exceed Prime in strength). But anyways, you asked me to give you basis for my statements (and i am still waiting for you to show me where the Hulk has ever lifted a fifth of the Earth's mass).
Anyways, this is from the Marvel Directory.

Strength Level: The Hulk possesses superhuman strength of the Class 100 level, enabling him to lift (press) in excess of 100 tons. The Hulk only attains this strength level when he is enraged. In a totally, calm state his functional strength is significantly less, perhaps in the 70 ton range. In human form Bruce Banner possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in no regular exercise.

I am surprised myself. I thought he started at a 100 tons, but it appears that in a calm state he (Green Hulk) is actually at 70 tons, but can go to over a 100 with rage.
Anyways, on Superman Prime. The strength of Superman comes from the absorption of solar radiations from a yellow sun. Prime has been sleeping in the heart of a sun for millenia. Thousands of years!
His strength is beyond comparison.
This is an armwrestling match. The curve is just too high for the Hulk to gain, and even if he could it would take him too long to do so. Again note that Superman had been absorbing energy for millenia. Not for decades, not for centuries -millenia!
Comeon, even for a fanboy you have to admit the Hulk is beaten here.
And let me ask you this final question. The Hulk has tangled with normal Superman a couple of times, and all those times it has been more or less a draw (Supes won one, Hulk won the other). That was normal Superman.
How the heck is he going to do anything against Superman Prime., someone who is infinitely stronger than the current Superman!?!? Goodness, the guy was being used by the future Supermen to draw on extra strength!
At this rate you will be telling me Spiderman can lift and throw Mjolnir further and harder than Thor because he has 'spidey abilities.'

I know for a matter of fact, right when Bruce turns into the hulk, right at that point where he goes green, he doesnt have 150,000,000,000 strength. At least not right when he turns, so yes, I do have the right to specify a base strength.

And what I meant with the planet thing, is weight wise. You people act if I took the hulk, and threw jupiter at him, when he wasnt mad or upset and had just turned, he could immediatly lift it, right then right there on the spot.

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
I know for a matter of fact, right when Bruce turns into the hulk, right at that point where he goes green, he doesnt have 150,000,000,000 strength. At least not right when he turns, so yes, I do have the right to specify a base strength.

And what I meant with the planet thing, is weight wise. You people act if I took the hulk, and threw jupiter at him, when he wasnt mad or upset and had just turned, he could immediatly lift it, right then right there on the spot.


He will not listen to logic. According to him the Hulk operates at strength levels that Marvel itself doesn't know about.
According to Marvel (note: the writers of the Hulk) he can lift well over 100 tons, but in a calm state he starts at 70 tons (which was surprising since i thought the Green Hulk started at 100 tons - but according to big M in a calm state Green Hulk is at 70 tons, and with rage he can go over 100).
The greatest feat of strength i've seen the Hulk do is lift a mountain. That is amazing, were it not for the fact he is facing Superman Prime.
Prime is just beyond the Hulk in every single way.
After all, if the Hulk vs normal Superman ends in a veritable draw, how then is the Hulk supposed to defeat someone who makes the normal Superman look like an ant?
I just think Cosmic Cube is a Hulk fanboy, and even if Marvel itself said the Hulk had no chance he would probably start drawing his own Hulk comic on a notepad and have him flipping Galactus and eating the Silver Surfer.
As i told him at this rate he will be saying silly things like Spiderman can use Mjolnir better than Thor, or that Magneto is stronger than the Phoenix entity because he can control iron ore in the asteroid belt!

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube

Obviously, I was saying that Hulk's strength increase allowed him to support 150,000,000,000 tons with minimal aggravation (a few insults.) I was not implying that 150,000,000,000 tons was his limit. I was also asserting that Hulk's strength can jump any span in a short time. When Molecule Man dropped the mountain on Hulk, he didn't give Hulk a chance to get angry. Hulk's strength instantly jumped from whatever his base strength is to 150 billion tons. ----Cosmic Cube[/QUOTE]

Oh, and one more thing.
I was reading some older posts on other threads and came on some where you, Cosmic Cube, CONSISTENTLY assert that Wolverine can lift 25 tons! Even when other posters gave you links to MARVEL saying that Wolverine is at 850 pounds you still claimed that he was at the same level as Spiderman, and that Spidey could also lift 25 tons (even though any person reading comics knows Spiderman can only lift 10 tons).
It appears you have a history of, midly put, 'buffing' (ahem - lying) character stats. No wonder i thought it was weird when you said in a couple of posts above that the Hulk could lift, erm, what was it: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1 followed by 18 zeroes)!!!!!!!
Ridiculous!
There is a new thread that is asking who would win in a fight between NightCrawler and the Silver Surfer. Maybe you should go there and tell us that nightcrawler can 'teleport suns' or some other lunacy. You do seem to be reading 'special' comics where Wolvie is as strong as Spidey, Spidey can lift 25 tons, and the Hulk can lift 1 sextillion metric tons in, ahem, 'the blink of an eye.'
Again, ridiculous! Soon you will be posting that Carnage can run faster than the Flash through some 'new symbiotic powers' only you know about.

To Cosmic Cube,

You (like Wynndar in the Superman Vs. FF thread) keep bringing
up Hulk lifting a 150 billion ton mountain, from Secret Wars, do
you have the issue? Can you show a picture?

I ask this because I remember that the Hulk didn't lift the
mountain, but merely balanced a key point on top of them just
long enough to buy the others time to find a way out. Balancing a
portion of a mountain is different from lifting the whole
thing, still very impressive, with maybe even a few million tons
involved, but far far from billions. For example, I can probably
lift up a corner of a tv set and lay it down on an up-turned finger,
and keep it there for a few seconds, but that doesn't mean I can
lift the whole tv set with that same finger.

Besides, Secret Wars was full of b.s., with this mountain incident
being just one of the worst.

Oh, and even normal Superman can break an enraged Hulk's
arm, a la "The Fly". Superman may be a boy-scout, but he
still deserves respect as the master butt-kicker that he is.

If hulk saw betty giving the leader a blow he might get mad enoth

Originally posted by King Burger
To Cosmic Cube,

You (like Wynndar in the Superman Vs. FF thread) keep bringing
up Hulk lifting a 150 billion ton mountain, from Secret Wars, do
you have the issue? Can you show a picture?

I ask this because I remember that the Hulk didn't lift the
mountain, but merely balanced a key point on top of them just
long enough to buy the others time to find a way out. Balancing a
portion of a mountain is different from lifting the whole
thing, still very impressive, with maybe even a few million tons
involved, but far far from billions. For example, I can probably
lift up a corner of a tv set and lay it down on an up-turned finger,
and keep it there for a few seconds, but that doesn't mean I can
lift the whole tv set with that same finger.

Besides, Secret Wars was full of b.s., with this mountain incident
being just one of the worst.

Oh, and even normal Superman can break an enraged Hulk's
arm, a la "The Fly". Superman may be a boy-scout, but he
still deserves respect as the master butt-kicker that he is.

Cosmic Cube seems to bring up 'facts' that are just not substantiated. He was saying that the Hulk could lift 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1 followed by 18 zeroes) in a blink of an eye. That is something even Marvel wasn't aware of. And on other threads he has said that Wolverine could lift 25 tons!!!!!
I think he just makes up 'facts' on the go and posts them, as if other people do not read comics.
Or maybe he just likes to use hyperbole(i.e a gentle way of saying lying) - basically exagerating (again, midly put) things beyond all reason.

spetz, you have zero clue how strong Hulk can get (even after EVERY bio says "for all intents and purposes, his strength is virtually limitless"😉 or how long he has to "rage up" to lift said amount...so why do you continue to masquerade as if you do? And you are consistently incorrect with the 70 ton starting point. That is for GREY Hulk only, and it is 75 tons.

Hulk has not lifted more than 150,000,000,000 tons because he has not HAD to. Has Hulk ever been unable to lift anything?

Nope.

Then how come everyone says The hulk is not like a "battery" he doesnt need time to charge up, right? So why cant he just lift something a bazillion tons immediatly if he doesnt need to take time to get to the strength level, he could lift the earth right when he turns.
According to everyone here you say hes not like a battery, so, why cant he lift a mountain right when he turns into the hulk, I mean, if he doesnt need to be horribly enraged and insanely chaotic to be that strong.

So far all ive heard is "The hulk doesnt have to take time to get to a super high strength level, HES NOT A BATTERY!" So what im saying is, why cant he just pick up anything he wants at any time?

The hulk NEVER LIFTED a freaking mountain, his durability was so the mountain wasnt heavy enough to physically crush him, like juggernaut, he was bracing it, not lifting it, Lifting is picking something up and walking around with it, he was kneeled down and the mountain was resting on his back, which was probably about as strong as admantium when he was that mad, thats why the mountain couldnt crush him.

If you took a block of admanitum, and set it there instead of hulk, is the mountain being "lifted" by it? No. Its being braced, or held up, by it.

Um, WRONG, if you grab an automobile by its bumper and pick it up such that the wheels are even 1/8th of an inch off of the ground, you LIFTED it.

The mountain wasn't heavy enough to crush him? LMAO, they said it dwarfed the ANDES. And besides, Hulk has lifted ISLANDS with one hand while swimming.

Unless The Hulk stood PERFECTLY STILL that 5+ minutes that they were underneath the mountain, he LIFTED it. He had LEVERAGE -- i.e., the correct BALANCE to hold it up.

He did NOT stand still. He moved UP and he moved DOWN while holding up the mountain. On occasion he lifted it; on others, he BRACED it. If you want to be specific, he SQUATTED it.

Brilliant point, Never. "Bracing" requires strength. If Hulk were laying on his back, the mountain atop him, It would definitely crush him.

And as Never said, when has Hulk not been able to lift anything?

King Burger. Comics are full of bs. Period.

Hulk lifting or bracing 150 tons is bs, but Superman's feats aren't bs? Moving the moon isn't bs? Superman would go through the moon, not move it. Supeman moving the moon would be like trying to move a pincusion with a pin. He would go through the Moon before he moved it.

Readers have granted superman this "telekinesis" to supplement his BS feats. DC has never mentioned it. As long as Superman is doing it, it isn't bs, right?

Wrong.

Here's that picture for ya.

Notice the words "One Hundred and Fifty Billion."

Spetznaz, The Hulk can lift any amount if he has to. That's why I said that Hulk can lift 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons. Try to understand the meaning of "limitless." If needed to, he could lift the weight of the earth.

On a Marvel scale Wolverine is a level 4, same level as Spiderman. The maximum range of level 4 is 25 tons. If you don't believe me, go buy a Marvel Encyclopedia. Why would I lie on a comic book forum?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Spetznaz, The Hulk can lift any amount if he has to. That's why I said that Hulk can lift 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons. Try to understand the meaning of "limitless." If needed to, he could lift the weight of the earth.

On a Marvel scale Wolverine is a level 4, same level as Spiderman. The maximum range of level 4 is 25 tons. If you don't believe me, go buy a Marvel Encyclopedia. Why would I lie on a comic book forum?

Again, check the meaning of hyperbole. It means, in essence, an exageration. You basically fluffed up the Hulk. While Marvel does say that his upper limit is not known they have never said he could lift a fifth of the Earth's mass. You are the one who came up with that ridiculous figure.
Again, hyperbole.
Example: The United States of America is the sole superpower in the world. That is a fact.
A hyperbolic statement of this fact would be for me to say that the US is an integalactic superpower.
Marvel has never said that the Hulk could lift 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons. All they said is that his strength has no known limit. That could mean that he could lift all of that, and more. Or that it is less than that, but just has not been measured.
And by the way, using your logic i could say that Superman Prime could lift 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 PLUS ONE tons. After all DC makes him the strongest Superman ever, and hence if i was to exercise dramatic license (aka hyperbole) i could say that he could do all sorts of things.
But that would be ridiculous. At least for me.

As for the Wolverine/Spiderman thingimajig where they lift 25 tons.
Again, more hyperbole (although i am starting to think it is actually more wishful thinking than hyperbole).
Marvel Comics states that Spiderman can lift 10 tons. This is a fact that has been hammered over and over again. I am willing to be that not even one member of the forum would agree with your 25 ton number, and that even Marvel itself would be astounded by that.
I checked out what you were saying about level 4 strength (at least you were not pulling that out of the air), and you basically answered yourself. (You said: The maximum range of level 4 is 25 tons)
That is the max level. The maximum level. The max. possible for that range. Now, semantics aside, what does that tell you. That just because that is the max level does not mean everyone with a 4 can lift 25 tons. For example Venom also has a level 4 strength ranking. Does that mean he and Spidey have the same strength? No! Venom is stronger. Spidey lifts 10 tons, Venom can lift more.
Based on your logic Venom has the same strength as Spidey since they have the same ranking. They do not. The key part you are missing is the word 'maximum' in the range.
Let me give you a simpler analogy.
Your class.
Let's say (and bear with me while i assume your age based on your posts) that the oldest student in your class in 13yrs of age (he repeated the class 2 yrs in a row). The median age is 11 and the mean is 10. The youngest kid is let's say 9.
Now, the MAX age is 13 yrs. But does that mean everyone in the class is that age?
No!
But based on your logic everyone in a class with a maximum age of 13 is 13 years old.
Seriously, any spiderman fan knows that Spidey maxes out at 10 tons. That scale grouped (note:grouping) characters into numbered tiers.

And anyways, this is what Marvel has to say about Spiderman:

Know Superhuman Powers: Spider-Man possesses superhuman strength, reflexes, and equilibrium; the ability to cause parts of his body to stick with great tenacity to most surfaces; and a subconscious premonitional "danger" sence. The irradiated Common House Spider (Achaearanea tepidariorum) which bit Peter Parker was apparently already mutated from prior exposure to certain frequencies of radiation and received a final, lethal dose during Parker's attendance of the exhibition. The radioactive, complex mutagenic enzymes in the spider's blood that were transferred at the time of the bite triggered numberous body-wide mutagenic changes within Parker.

Spider-Man's overall metabolic efficiency has been greatly increased, and the composition of his skeleton, inter-connected tissues, and nervous system have all been enhanced. Spider-Man's musculature has been augmentedso that he can lift (press) about 10 tons. His reflexes are faster than an average human by about a factor of 15 (he is often able to dodge bullets, if he is far enough away). Spider-Man is extraordinarily limber and his tendons and connective tissues are twice as elastic as the average human being's, despite their enhanced strength. He has developed a unique fighting style that makes full use of his agility, strength, and equilibrium.