Originally posted by StrawNilla
In a no prep time battle Spidey would waste Batman like no tommorow. Heck, even if Bats had prep time his gadgetry wouldn't be enough to handle someone who can sense an imopending attack coming instances before they occur, not to mention the guy sensing it can move more than fast enough to avoid it.
Suuuure. Spiderman can avoid flash bombs, sonics, acid-based corrosives, and any number of gadgets that Batman regularly carries.
Please.
LoL. He senses AN impending attack, not what it is.
Originally posted by dami wilson
bull sh.t............what are you guys on? Black panther? The guy from Africa? Who fought in the avengers? I saw a thread of him and Captain america fighting where Cap beat him. How much can he lift? Not more than Wolverine and no healing power? Spiderman just webs him up and roasts him for the bush hogs roaming the streets.Come on guys! What strengths does he have? Just an average dude with a mask!
Erm - check out the current issue of Black Panther. There is a 2 page spread where he basically beat Captain American, and then carried his unconscious behind off into the Bush.That was Tchalla's dad though, but they basically have the same abilities.
As for the current Black Panther, the guy took down the Fantastic Four, and he disabled Iron Man's armor.
Tchalla would slay Spiderman.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Kraven the Hunter gave Spiderman a run for his money. Batman and Black Panther are far superior to Kraven.
To avoid misunderstandings, I think BP is cool. Nothing more, nothing less, just cool and sometimes impressive. But only a man, herb or no herb ! This is very important.
Everything BP can do, Spider-Man can do too ! But faster and probably better. He also can take more damage and can avoid all of BP's attacks when written right !, but probably not when some lame writer decides it's time to give to BP a "glorious moment."
T'Challa can take lots of people, but Spider-Man is a little bit too much. I am 100 % convinced he can defeat him, but not without the (boring) preptime. In a random fight, he goes down.Dami wilson....you black too..what's up my bro-tha! BP "beat " the FF and you don't think he could take a white dude with Spider powers down?
If you're talking about the old, very old FF comic in which BP was introduced (they always are much tougher in the beginning of their career, I guess to impress the readers) AND where BP invited the FF to Wakanda (talk about preptime !!), that's a bit dated.
I would like to see the BP to take out the FF in the middle of the street. I think he'd last 3 seconds.
Um...suffice it to say that Black Panther has the means to level the playing field and neutralize any advantage Spider Man has. Does not matter whether or not you agree; that is how the character is written.
LoL no, he cannot avoid all of his attacks even when written correctly.
And, by the way...Spider Man is "just a man" also.
Originally posted by Never
Um...suffice it to say that Black Panther has the means to level the playing field and neutralize any advantage Spider Man has.
Does not matter whether or not you agree; that is how the character is written.
LoL no, he cannot avoid all of his attacks even when written correctly.
And, by the way...Spider Man is "just a man" also.
>>>Yeah, just like Spider-Man has the means to knock BP's head off. It isn't gonna happen either.
Has Spiderman ever "knocked someone's head off?" No, but Black Panther always levels the playing field when he is outgunned, similar to Batman's battles with Superman.
>>>Spider-Man has a spider-sense that has saved him thousands of times. In most cases, it works perfectly. Does not matter whether or not you agree; that is how the character is written.
The spider-sense warns him of imminent danger, not the nature of the attack -- and it has FAILED him countless times. It is hardly failsafe.
>>>So we have a guy who - on a good day - dances through the combined attacks of the Sinister Six (or other superpowered teams), but one human being will be able to touch him ? Only when Spider-Man will fight like a retard.
Is Kraven The Hunter "one human being?" Yes. So yes, "one human being will be able to touch him." Took .8 nanoseconds to come up with that example. Can provide others.
>>>Nope, far from it, he is much more. He has some sort of mutated body, his physiology is completely different than that of a normal human being. Did you never notice he lifts tanks and climbs walls ?
In Marvel you have homo sapiens and homo superior. He is not a mutant.
He is human.
Originally posted by Never
Suuuure. Spiderman can avoid flash bombs, sonics, acid-based corrosives, and any number of gadgets that Batman regularly carries.Please.
LoL. He senses AN impending attack, not what it is.
Spidey can avoid all of that stuff becuase of the time he is given to react to it courtesy of the spider sense, he can also detect where the attack is coming from, you'd have to have some kind of bomb powerful enough to level a building or so for Spidey not to avoid it, and that's only if Spidey doesn't get a move on in the instant or so he is warned.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
And he can dodge an impending attack despite what it is if he uses the time in which he is warned about said attack correctly.Spidey can avoid all of that stuff becuase of the time he is given to react to it courtesy of the spider sense, he can also detect where the attack is coming from, you'd have to have some kind of bomb powerful enough to level a building or so for Spidey not to avoid it, and that's only if Spidey doesn't get a move on in the instant or so he is warned.
No.
His spider-sense would warn him of an incoming nuke. Think he'll dodge that? No.
His spider-sense does not tell him where the attack is coming from. They simply warn him of impending danger. Very vague pre-cog ability, so to speak.
It's right there in every bio. Like here:
"It appears to be a simultaneous clairvoyant responce to a wide variety of phenomena (everything from falling safes to speeding bullets to thrown punches), which has given several hundredths of a second's warning, which is sufficient time for his reflexes to allow him to avoid injury. The sense also can create a general resonse on the order of several minutes: he cannot discern the nature of the threat by the sensation. He can, however, discern the severity of the danger by the strength of his response to it."
Notice it says "a WIDE VARIETY OF PHENOMENA?"
Originally posted by Never
>>>Yeah, just like Spider-Man has the means to knock BP's head off. It isn't gonna happen either.Has Spiderman ever "knocked someone's head off?" No, but Black Panther always levels the playing field when he is outgunned, similar to Batman's battles with Superman.
>>>Spider-Man has a spider-sense that has saved him thousands of times. In most cases, it works perfectly. Does not matter whether or not you agree; that is how the character is written.
The spider-sense warns him of imminent danger, not the nature of the attack -- and it has FAILED him countless times. It is hardly failsafe.
>>>So we have a guy who - on a good day - dances through the combined attacks of the Sinister Six (or other superpowered teams), but one human being will be able to touch him ? Only when Spider-Man will fight like a retard.
Is Kraven The Hunter "one human being?" Yes. So yes, "one human being will be able to touch him." Took .8 nanoseconds to come up with that example. Can provide others.
>>>Nope, far from it, he is much more. He has some sort of mutated body, his physiology is completely different than that of a normal human being. Did you never notice he lifts tanks and climbs walls ?
In Marvel you have homo sapiens and homo superior. He is not a mutant.
He is human.
And using the argument that Spidey is human is ludicrous, granted he is HALF-human, but he's not a full fledged human. He's also half-spider, and with the right dose of exposure to something like radiation, his mutation could take over. He's MORE THAN human, not a 100% average joe everyday human.
And there have been quite a few half-a** accounts of slower people than Spidey touching Spidey, that's because he holds back a lot, he's stated it himself. Only in high pressure situations does he really pull out the speed and strength, among other things. Without holding back, the combined spider sense and base reflexes will be alot more than bargained for BP to overcome. You have to take into account Spidey's true abilites and the accounts of Spidey overcoming what seemed insurmountable odds quite easily when using all his abilities to their full extent.
Originally posted by Never
Has Spiderman ever "knocked someone's head off?"
No, but Black Panther always levels the playing field when he is outgunned, similar to Batman's battles with Superman.
Nope, nothing at all... Not very fair if you ask me.The spider-sense warns him of imminent danger, not the nature of the attack -- and it has FAILED him countless times. It is hardly failsafe.
Never said it was failsafe, but you can rely on it. It has warned him hundreds of times more than it let him down, but if you insist on focusing on the few times (yes FEW times when you compare it to all the times it worked perfectly) I think you are a little biased.
In Marvel you have homo sapiens and homo superior. He is not a mutant.
He is human.
Originally posted by Never
No.His spider-sense would warn him of an incoming nuke. Think he'll dodge that? No.
His spider-sense does not tell him where the attack is coming from. They simply warn him of impending danger. Very vague pre-cog ability, so to speak.
It's right there in every bio. Like here:
"It appears to be a simultaneous clairvoyant responce to a wide variety of phenomena (everything from falling safes to speeding bullets to thrown punches), which has given several hundredths of a second's warning, which is sufficient time for his reflexes to allow him to avoid injury. The sense also can create a general resonse on the order of several minutes: he cannot discern the nature of the threat by the sensation. He can, however, discern the severity of the danger by the strength of his response to it."
Notice it says "a WIDE VARIETY OF PHENOMENA?"
So he can't sense the exact nature, he can judge the seriousness of the attack by the sensation teh tingle presents, it's right there in the bio. Therefore with that several hundreths of a second he can react to it however fast he sees fit. If it's just a punch or bullet, perhaps he'll just hop out of the way like he always does. But if it's something like the Hulk or Juggernaut about to deliver a heymaker, he's gonna avoid it as quickly as possible.
It says in the bio that his spider sense cannot determine the nature of the attack or exactly what the attack is going to be like a gunshot, or train coming, he can't tell what the attack will be. What you said is like saying he does not know where an attack is coming from if an attack is coming from behind and he's facing forward. Wherever the sensation is strongest is where he will try to avoid, no matter where the attack is, he's going to sense it. It's judging where the sensation comes strongest that tells him where it will be.
Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
Spiderman has raw fighting, durability, spider sense and webbing, Panther has an assortment of gadgets, fighting instruments, adept at hand to hand combat.I bet panther on this one.
And about Spidey's list of abilities, you forgot the parts about speed, strength, endurance, strong-will, you know, the good stuff.
There's plenty of guys who are adept to hand-to-hand combat, does that put them on Spidey's level and above?
There are plenty of ways Spidey could beat BP, one of them being the speedblitz, that's something BP cannot avoid because aside from Spidey being faster, he's also way too powerful for BP to overcome. Absorbing gunshoits with his armor and absorbing a Spidey speedblitz are two different things.
Here's the power of Spidey's speedblitz......
.....And here's the power of a gunshot. You see the difference here?