Black Panther Vs Spiderman

>>>Did I say otherwise ? I said he can do it, why not ? He can bend steel with ease.

Your comment was about as relevant as saying "Superman can just fly in, knock everyone out, and fly back out." Big deal. HAS he done it? No, so no use in including a variable when it will never play out in a "real" encounter.

>>>>Oooh I see, thank you for showing me the light. It is one of THOSE threads, where BP gets all the preptime in the world, blueprints, detailed files, sets up death traps and so on, while the other guy gets, hm, nothing at all ?

>>>Nope, nothing at all... Not very fair if you ask me.

He does not need prep time to level the playing field. He would need it to put the odds firmly in his favor.

>>>Never said it was failsafe, but you can rely on it. It has warned him hundreds of times more than it let him down, but if you insist on focusing on the few times (yes FEW times when you compare it to all the times it worked perfectly) I think you are a little biased.

Point is it is exploitable (yes, Spidey can be TRICKED.). Only need it to happen once when fighting someone of BP's caliber.

>>>Ooh, did you forget the Deviants ? The Eternals ? The Greek and Norse Gods ? The people of Atlantis ? Are these homo sapiens or homo superior ?

Neither. Most are cosmics. 😉

Namor is a MUTANT.

>>>No he is not. He has superpowers and an extra sense (why am I even arguing about this) ?

Horrible example. Daredevil has "superpowers." He is human, pursuant to the frame of reference that I provided. More specifically, he's a human with superhuman abilities.

>>>And Spidey's spider sense has not failed him countless times, and it can tell him where the attack is coming from and the seriousness of /it judging from the sensation he gets, if it's a low sensation, like a tickle, it'll probably be a punch from behind or bullet. If it's a very present sensation, and it's going off like crazy, then he will know that attack will be something really big.

No, the spider sense does not tell him where it is coming from. Why does his bio say otherwise, and why is he consistently written as being warned of IMPENDING danger, but not precisely where it is coming from?

Am still waiting on your Spiderman runs 100 mph/Hulk runs 700mph/Spiderman dodges bullets at point-blank range proof. Notice that no other Spidey fans (including myself) back you up on this? I wonder why.

Originally posted by IRTMU-Dragon
And dont forget his increased senses and ability to climb walls as well.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if BP beat Spidey, it's what he does. He's that good to do such things, and his vibranium suit alone helps level the field. Someone who makes their first official Marvel appearance beating the Fantastic Four is a feat in itself, so that's gotta say something.

And since all the black folks are coming out for this thread, yes, Black Panther is the HNIC of Marvel. If ya' don't know what that means, then it's probably better that you don't, lol.

Originally posted by Never
>>>Did I say otherwise ? I said he can do it, why not ? He can bend steel with ease.

Your comment was about as relevant as saying "Superman can just fly in, knock everyone out, and fly back out." Big deal. HAS he done it? No, so no use in including a variable when it will never play out in a "real" encounter.

>>>>Oooh I see, thank you for showing me the light. It is one of THOSE threads, where BP gets all the preptime in the world, blueprints, detailed files, sets up death traps and so on, while the other guy gets, hm, nothing at all ?

>>>Nope, nothing at all... Not very fair if you ask me.

He does not need prep time to level the playing field. He would need it to put the odds firmly in his favor.

>>>Never said it was failsafe, but you can rely on it. It has warned him hundreds of times more than it let him down, but if you insist on focusing on the few times (yes FEW times when you compare it to all the times it worked perfectly) I think you are a little biased.

Point is it is exploitable (yes, Spidey can be TRICKED.). Only need it to happen once when fighting someone of BP's caliber.

>>>Ooh, did you forget the Deviants ? The Eternals ? The Greek and Norse Gods ? The people of Atlantis ? Are these homo sapiens or homo superior ?

Neither. Most are cosmics. 😉

Namor is a MUTANT.

>>>No he is not. He has superpowers and an extra sense (why am I even arguing about this) ?

Horrible example. Daredevil has "superpowers." He is human, pursuant to the frame of reference that I provided. More specifically, he's a human with superhuman abilities.

>>>And Spidey's spider sense has not failed him countless times, and it can tell him where the attack is coming from and the seriousness of /it judging from the sensation he gets, if it's a low sensation, like a tickle, it'll probably be a punch from behind or bullet. If it's a very present sensation, and it's going off like crazy, then he will know that attack will be something really big.

No, the spider sense does not tell him where it is coming from. Why does his bio say otherwise, and why is he consistently written of being warned of IMPENDING danger, but not precisely where it is coming from?

Am still waiting on your Spiderman runs 100 mph/Hulk runs 700mph/Spiderman dodges bullets at point-blank range proof. Notice that no other Spidey fans (including myself) back you up on this? I wonder why.

And Spidey can tell where the attack would come from judging from where the sensation comes strongest, funny, you reject it, but you can't dispute it, not even with someone else's logic. How quaint.

And you were supposed to end the sentence "I wonder why" with a ? not a . I wonder why you're debating my knowledge with incorrect end punctuation? I've already told you I can't provide the proof, not now anyway. But don't worry I'll be back with the proof you need to quench your thirst for me to prove you wrong.

Lol it probaly is better but i have an idea. what does it mean,dont want to look stupid and say what i think it means.

spiderman > BP, **** your preptime bullshit, just think about what you're saying when you give someone preptime.

Whats an HNIC

Originally posted by StrawNilla
If you think you're impressing me witht hese arguments you're quite wrong. All you're doing is disagreeing with other people's post (and that's your right so don't claim that I'm protesting it) and posting that paragraph from, what was it, one of those Marvel websites?

And Spidey can tell where the attack would come from judging from where the sensation comes strongest, funny, you reject it, but you can't dispute it, not even with someone else's logic. How quaint.

And you were supposed to end the sentence "I wonder why" with a ? not a . I wonder why you're debating my knowledge with incorrect end punctuation? I've already told you I can't provide the proof, not now anyway. But don't worry I'll be back with the proof you need to quench your thirst for me to prove you wrong.

LMAO, I don't debate here to impress anyone (and certainly not you) -- I do it because I like debating and I like comic books.

All bios say that he cannot tell where they are coming from -- I daresay the bios are more credible than you; moreover, in COMIC BOOKS he is characterized as not knowing where the attacks are coming from. Hulk #300, for example. His spider sense was tingling -- he looked UP then saw the hot water come crashing down. He put up some webbing to protect them.

No, I was supposed to end the sentence how I chose to end it -- with a period.

I'll be waiting for you to show me where it says that Spiderman runs 100mph, has dodged bullets at point blank range, and where it says that The Hulk runs 700mph.

And..actually BP would not be considered the HNIC, Apocalypse would...right?

Anywho, that's my point exactly -- BP CAN tag Spiderman. He CAN defeat him. No way would Spiderman win 10 times if they battled 10 times. Won't bother guessing how many he would win, as that would lead to another 5 pages of back and forth...

Is a HNIC a type of Cat

Head...Negro In Charge.

lol oh ok. Any way Bp and Spidey could end up as a draw. They have no prep so its like a draw or Bp wins.

And..actually BP would not be considered the HNIC, Apocalypse would...right?

He would be...if he weren't currently "dead". And if people could pull their heads out of their asses and figure out that the ancient Egyptians were black. Caucasian sentiment towards issues such as those is really mind boggling. I read an essay once, published by a renowned guy (it was reprinted from the late 1800's, but I digress) that said the Egyptians couldn't have been black, or Arab, or anything short of stark white in complexion because of something like "any of the peoples of Africa could not have successfully built such an impressive and advanced empire." Though they have several theories that the area was densely populated by various tribes and peoples, so over the centuries the people became more and more of a mixed breed. At any rate, most of the theories on the peoples of ancient Egypt are asininely ludicrous.

Anyways, knowledge is T'Challa's greatest weapon, and he spent years spying on the Avengers and the American superhero scene. He has access to Avengers files through his Wakandan satellites, and lest we forget, Spider-Man, for however short a period, was an Avenger. If Panther has a Galactus contingency plan, he can probably think of a few ways to take down our favorite web-slinger.

Originally posted by Never
He does not need prep time to level the playing field. He would need it to put the odds firmly in his favor.

Point is it is exploitable (yes, Spidey can be TRICKED.). Only need it to happen once when fighting someone of BP's caliber.

2. He has fought without his spidersense, to people who were stronger and faster than BP. Did I mention Spider-Man is still alive and kicking these days ?

Neither. Most are cosmics. 😉

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
He would be...if he weren't currently "dead". And if people could pull their heads out of their asses and figure out that the ancient Egyptians were black. Caucasian sentiment towards issues such as those is really mind boggling. I read an essay once, published by a renowned guy (it was reprinted from the late 1800's, but I digress) that said the Egyptians couldn't have been black, or Arab, or anything short of stark white in complexion because of something like "any of the peoples of Africa could not have successfully built such an impressive and advanced empire." Though they have several theories that the area was densely populated by various tribes and peoples, so over the centuries the people became more and more of a mixed breed. At any rate, most of the theories on the peoples of ancient Egypt are asininely ludicrous.

Anyways, knowledge is T'Challa's greatest weapon, and he spent years spying on the Avengers and the American superhero scene. He has access to Avengers files through his Wakandan satellites, and lest we forget, Spider-Man, for however short a period, was an Avenger. If Panther has a Galactus contingency plan, he can probably think of a few ways to take down our favorite web-slinger.

LoL, right on.

>>>How exactly ? I really want to know this. Or are you going to refer to some old fight where BP "brained his opponent to death ?". For each fight you name, I'll name ten of Spider-Man .

Will need to explain the last sentence.

At any rate, there exists myriad ways in which he could "level the playing field." Simply disorienting Spiderman is one way. Blinding him temporarily is another.

>>>2. He has fought without his spidersense, to people who were stronger and faster than BP. Did I mention Spider-Man is still alive and kicking these days ?

How is whether or not he is "still alive and kicking" even relevant? Who said that BP would "kill Spiderman?"

Re: Fighting sans his spider sense, yes, and Venom stomped his ass all over that shed. That was pure garbage, but whatever.

Originally posted by Never
LMAO, I don't debate here to impress anyone (and certainly not you) -- I do it because I like debating and I like comic books.

All bios say that he cannot tell where they are coming from -- I daresay the bios are more credible than you; moreover, in COMIC BOOKS he is characterized as not knowing where the attacks are coming from. Hulk #300, for example. His spider sense was tingling -- he looked UP then saw the hot water come crashing down. He put up some webbing to protect them.

No, I was supposed to end the sentence how I chose to end it -- with a period.

I'll be waiting for you to show me where it says that Spiderman runs 100mph, has dodged bullets at point blank range, and where it says that The Hulk runs 700mph.

And..actually BP would not be considered the HNIC, Apocalypse would...right?

Anywho, that's my point exactly -- BP CAN tag Spiderman. He CAN defeat him. No way would Spiderman win 10 times if they battled 10 times. Won't bother guessing how many he would win, as that would lead to another 5 pages of back and forth...

My thesis is simple, if Spidey judges where the sensation is coming from the strongest, he could tell that the attack is coming from that direction. That coupled with the fact that Spidey could tell the level of seriousness of an attack from the strength of the sensation could most definitely prove very useful on the battlefield.

And I didn't make Spidey dodging bullets at point blank range up. I know this from an actual link of an image on another post that clearly shows Spidey dodging gunshots fired by SWAT team officers. And I don't have proof that you would find credible on the matter of Spidey running up to speeds of a 100 mph. I heard that he had had a speed upgrade from the usual 70 mph. This and the Hulk running up to speeds of 700 mph were claimed to be listed in the Marvel handbook guide. That's all I can tell you.

And BP would not tag Spidey when he put on the speed. Using his reflexes (30-40 times faster than that of a human), speed (superhuman speed that is, no skippin' around that), superior agility, durability, the spider sense, superior endurance, superior will, there's just so many ways Spidey could win using these abilities to their full extent. Even if he held back, those abilities combined would quite easily keep the edge over BP. By the way, your whole "I won't get into how BP will hit Spidey" statement is just another way of saying "I've got nothing" hypocrite. Judging the credibility of someone else's argument when your own is questionable, tssk tssk.

And personally I'm glad you're not here to impress me, because you haven't in the least.

😆

I think people exaggerate that a character like Batman or Black Panther are useless without 'prep time'. Their brains don't simply stop working because they are engaged in a fight. They think just as fast in the heat of battle as they would in the lab, if not moreso. Prep time would simply greatly increase the probability of their victory from 50:50 to 70:30 and sometimes 90:10 and 100:0.

Now, Spiderman's far from an idiot, no doubt, but T'Challa has the strategic edge. He's only a step or two (or three) behind Spiderman in agility and speed (he is a fully accomplished gymnast), and he's a much better fighter and combat strategist. It's not like Petey's fighting Flash Thomson in a suit. All of BP's abilities are at superhuman or enhanced human levels, and he wears impact absorbing vibranium armor which will take a bit of the pop off Spiderman's punches.

Originally posted by Never
At any rate, there exists myriad ways in which he could "level the playing field." Simply disorienting Spiderman is one way. Blinding him temporarily is another.

If BP gets all the preptime, detailed files and money in the world, I think it's no more than fair that Spider-Man will not hold back anymore and goes apeshit on BP.

Would be fun...😉

Originally posted by ScarletSpider
He would be...if he weren't currently "dead". And if people could pull their heads out of their asses and figure out that the ancient Egyptians were black. Caucasian sentiment towards issues such as those is really mind boggling. I read an essay once, published by a renowned guy (it was reprinted from the late 1800's, but I digress) that said the Egyptians couldn't have been black, or Arab, or anything short of stark white in complexion because of something like "any of the peoples of Africa could not have successfully built such an impressive and advanced empire." Though they have several theories that the area was densely populated by various tribes and peoples, so over the centuries the people became more and more of a mixed breed. At any rate, most of the theories on the peoples of ancient Egypt are asininely ludicrous.

Anyways, knowledge is T'Challa's greatest weapon, and he spent years spying on the Avengers and the American superhero scene. He has access to Avengers files through his Wakandan satellites, and lest we forget, Spider-Man, for however short a period, was an Avenger. If Panther has a Galactus contingency plan, he can probably think of a few ways to take down our favorite web-slinger.

Bringing up Spidey's past mistakes will only anger him, and make the onslaught courtesy of Spidey that much more brutal. There are plenty of mind tricks BP could use with Parker, but the webslinger is very resilient. Using his abilities to their full extent, no matter how disoriented Spidey is, will leave BP incapacitated or dead. There's not alot BP can do to counter Spidey's speed, agility, reaction time, etc. Especially in a non-prep battle. Not even in a prep battle could BP create a weopon or projectile Spidey won't be aware of and ready to dodge when it is used. The only alternative I could see BP turning to for a victory would be to suit their place of battle with a hundred or so sticks of dynamite and wait for Spidey to arrive. Wait, even then Spidey could sense the seriousness of the situation and avoid the battlefield completely, so that wouldn't work. I can't see BP winning this.

>>>Give me an excerpt from a handbook that states if Spidey judges from the strength of the sensation in a certain area, he cannot tell for certain that the attack will come from that area.

Um, ONE, "judges from the strength of the sensation in a certain area?" What's this supposed to mean? If his big toe tingles from his spidey sense that means an attack is coming from the right?

Err...the sensation is located in his head, period. The sensation's intensity varies with the intensity of the threat. It does NOT tell him WHERE the threat comes from. Do you OWN any Spidey comics? As a matter of fact, if you DO, I'll quote several examples this evening from some of Mcfarlane's run to SHOW you.

>>>And I didn't make Spidey dodging bullets at point blank range up. I know this from an actual link of an image on another post that clearly shows Spidey dodging gunshots fired by SWAT team officers. And I don't have proof that you would find credible on the matter of Spidey running up to speeds of a 100 mph. I heard that he had had a speed upgrade from the usual 70 mph. This and the Hulk running up to speeds of 700 mph were claimed to be listed in the Marvel handbook guide. That's all I can tell you.

So...I can arbitrarily say that Black Panther runs at 100mph also, and that's gospel? I don't think so. Surely a Spidey fan such as yourself can quote ONE instance from ONE comic book where SOMEONE says that Spiderman runs at 100mph. Can you even QUOTE a picture? LoL @ "I heard that he got an upgrade from 70mph." He NEVER ran that fast, and Hulk NEVER ran at speeds upwards of 700mph.

>>>And BP would not tag Spidey when he put on the speed. Using his reflexes (30-40 times faster than that of a human), speed (superhuman speed that is, no skippin' around that), superior agility, durability, the spider sense, superior endurance, superior will, there's just so many ways Spidey could win using these abilities to their full extent.

And you are making all of this up as well. His bio (MARVEL UNIVERSE) says 15x that of a human's. You say 30-40x. Is this some random number that you created? Or you "heard he had an upgrade" also?

"Superior will?" I'd love to see you TRY to prove that.

>>>And personally I'm glad you're not here to impress me, because you haven't in the least.

Difficult to impress know-it-alls, correct? And by providing us with sources that back up your every claim, you certainly "know it all."

😉

>>>Myriad ways huh ? Blind him ? Good one lol. How about this way: Spider-Man sees him and knocks him out with ONE punch. Now THAT is a plausible scenario.

No one has ever gotten the jump on BP and "knocked him out with one punch."

Same thing with Batman (and I mention him as they are similar).

Nice try. Actually...not really...

Originally posted by who?-kid
Myriad ways huh ? Blind him ? Good one lol. How about this way: Spider-Man sees him and knocks him out with ONE punch. Now THAT is a plausible scenario.

If BP gets all the preptime, detailed files and money in the world, I think it's no more than fair that Spider-Man will not hold back anymore and goes apeshit on BP.

Would be fun...😉