Originally posted by dami wilson
bull sh.t............what are you guys on? Black panther? The guy from Africa? Who fought in the avengers? I saw a thread of him and Captain america fighting where Cap beat him. How much can he lift? Not more than Wolverine and no healing power? Spiderman just webs him up and roasts him for the bush hogs roaming the streets.Come on guys! What strengths does he have? Just an average dude with a mask!
I full agree. Spiderman wins.
Originally posted by StrawNilla
Realistically, once these charcters got their hands on BP (and they are strong enough to do so) BP should've been destroyed.Besides, none of them are as maneuverable, as well a contortionist, or as agile as Spidey on their BEST day. At the starting bell Spidey could casually leap frog the distance between himself and BP, maneuvering himself between thrown projectiles courtesy of the spider sense and of course, the agility. After that, it's Spidey's game....
BLITZ!!!!!!
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Umm... Magneto is waaaaay too powerful for Spidey. BP beat him with a good plan. Also, mneuverability+contortionisme is pretty much irrelevant. Most of the given guys are far more powerful than Spidey. Period. Panther just has the brains to take this.
And all you guys who always go on about how BP needs prep. time, he does. It's true. But he takes it, it's not given to him. So stop saying that he would lose without it. He's walking down the street, gets bonked on the hea by some crazy punk... gets up off the ground and has a short go at this guy. After realising that he won't win hand/hand, he retreates. It's not over, he just had the sense to back up. This is what makes him so powerful. Spidey does do the same, but e doesn't do as well to do it. See??
I've already stated how Spidey could do a number of varied attacks on BP before he cpould go anywhere. These include web attacks, blitzes, the "bob and weave" method, etc. Tell me how BP's going to escape an swift Spidey attack without Spidey speed? Or counter it without Spidey strength, agility, elasticy, etc.?
Stop bringing race into this!!! God damn it!!! Tron,where the hell are you at????? Do your job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spiderman is not as powerful as some of us are trying to make out. He is really only supposed to fight groups of guys with guns. The aforementioned became boring for readers really quick, sothe writers brought in super badguys. Crossoversand crappy writers just pumped PP up into something he's not.
BP is underestimated. Largely.
And StrawNilla, you are either saying that BP is extremely slow, or Spidey is at least QS speed. Think about it. I know that Spidey is fast, but he's not superfast, just a bit faster than human average. And BP is very fast and strong and has extremely good reaction speeds- peak human. So don't count him out physically.
Keep up your arguements, you have presented someof the best stuff so far. 🙂
Originally posted by StrawNilla
You really like proving your point by saying a character can't do something, when you yourself can't prove me wrong. You keep telling me to prove my point, when really I should be asking you to prove me wrong. It's sad that someone could bounce around the facts.Sbout the reflex thing, I said hat 15X is his base reeflex speed, the spider sense provides an accceleration in his reaction time, you haven't even proven me wrong on THAT medium, in fact, you haven't proven me wrong on ANY medium from where I'm sitting.
I'm tired of your constant little chatter about how Spidey can't do this or that, when you in fact you just aren't man enough to admit that BP will lose, and that you can't prove my thesis wrong. Or anything else I state wrong for that matter. Like I said, it's sad.
How trite. How jejune.
If YOU say I punched you in the face, the burden of proof is not on me to show that I DIDN'T do it; the onus is on YOU to prove that I DID.
I know you pulled that 30-40x quicker than human reflexes out of your nether region, hence my asking you to provide ANY any ANY any ANYthing to support your posit.
You can't.
As for your rather puerile argument that I cannot prove you wrong (when indeed the burden of proof is on YOU), that's idiotic, no? That's like me saying "well um She-Hulk can press 200 tons!" and following it up by challenging someone to prove that she CANNOT (when her bio PLAINLY states that she lifts much less than that).
As for Spidey losing to BP, Reading Is Fundamental. LONG ago I said that, in MY opinion, Black Panther can probably land a punch here OR there, but his margin for error is smallllll. No amount of training/rolling with a punch can prepare one for someone who hits as hard as Spiderman.
With prep time, DUH, Black Panther walks over Spiderman. Without prep time (and this battle SHOULD be without prep time) it is Spidey's battle to lose.
Yeah, and Wolverine says he's the best at what he does.
And Gladiator says that he can fly through as well as ignite stars.
I can list a who's who of exaggerations by comic characters as well.
I don't think that anyone argued about whether or not he is quicker than BP. That was evident when I pointed out that he bounced around all of the X-Men without getting touched.
Nice try though.
Originally posted by Never
[B]No...he's not "superhumanly FAST."He is superhumanly "quick."
Same thing...the words can be used synonymously..but if you don't believe me..here's the definition for both(go to dictionary.com if you want to validate these definitions..)
quick: Moving or functioning rapidly and energetically; speedy.
fast: Acting, moving, or capable of acting or moving quickly; swift.
And anything substantially quicker than a human is considered to be "superhuman."
Yes I know..its been stated in the MU(It was in either an older version of the handbook..or an official guidebook to SM I once possessed) that he does have "superhuman" speed...I don't know how fast that equates him to when it comes to running/sprinting..but the fact that he has superhuman reflexes, can jump at least 3 stories in the air, and has superhuman strength would undoubtly support this notion...In addition to this..many of the opponents he has faced on a regular basis consistantly point this out as well...
Who said it is difficult to see him? That's wrong.
The X-men..(Secret Wars)
Iron Man 2020..(stated SM was lighting quick..couldn't touch him)
Thor(Eric Masterson version..described him as a blurr)
Wolverine(Can't remember what comic it was in..)
to name a few...
I've already said I think T'Challa would win. I just want to add for all the people accounting Spiderman's superior strength and speed against BP that he wears a vibranium armor suit which is basically the world's best shock absorbing material. The pop from Spiderman's punches and kicks will be diffused on impact. They'll still have force, but it will be exponentially less impactful than they would be normally. You add that to BP's own heigtened agility, reflexes, speed, and martial arts mastery, and BP could go toe to toe with Spiderman in calculated exchanges. All he would have to do is parry and counter with the Vibranium claws he has on his suit and injure Spiderman to take away a bit of his speed, then pull out one of his sonic weapons to effect Spiderman's equilibrium and the playing field is very levelled.
Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Spiderman is not as powerful as some of us are trying to make out. He is really only supposed to fight groups of guys with guns.
The aforementioned became boring for readers really quick, sothe writers brought in super badguys. Crossoversand crappy writers just pumped PP up into something he's not.
If there are characters who get pumped up from time to time, or who fight larger than life villains they in theory just can't handle, than Batman is your man. And the same goes a little bit for Black Panther.
Other characters who received some extras (powerwise): Hulk, Thor, Invisible Girl, Thing, Thanos, Wolverine, Gambit, Colossus, Black Panther, Sabretooth, Roughhouse, Electro and the majority of the rest of the Marvel Universe.
Spider-Man is one of the few with still the same powers and enemies (more or less of course). BP is underestimated. Largely.
Yes he is, he's the one most people underestimate. But he's still no real match for Spider-Man. And StrawNilla, you are either saying that BP is extremely slow, or Spidey is at least QS speed. Think about it. I know that Spidey is fast, but he's not superfast, just a bit faster than human average.
A bit faster than human average ?? He IS superhuman fast, not of course QS level, but still very fast and quick. I don't know how fast he can run though, and frankly I don't care, I'm talking about his reflexes, the way he moves, fights, bounces all over the place, that IS superhuman fast.
You are generally right. But you forgot SM in your list of super-pumped guys 😉 😛!! You might not have noticed it, but I don't really blame you. I didn't know BP was pumped (if he really even is...). Anyway, You were right about SM's reflexes being extremely fast, but I was talking about running speed. He would have to get to BP before doing this 'blitz' thing. BP is not ultimate or anything, but he's no slouch. He's a bloody genius!! And yes, I know that Parker is as well, but trust me, he doesn't hold up a candle.