Black Panther Vs Spiderman

Originally posted by Never
How trite. How jejune.

If YOU say I punched you in the face, the burden of proof is not on me to show that I DIDN'T do it; the onus is on YOU to prove that I DID.

I know you pulled that 30-40x quicker than human reflexes out of your nether region, hence my asking you to provide ANY any ANY any ANYthing to support your posit.

You can't.

As for your rather puerile argument that I cannot prove you wrong (when indeed the burden of proof is on YOU), that's idiotic, no? That's like me saying "well um She-Hulk can press 200 tons!" and following it up by challenging someone to prove that she CANNOT (when her bio PLAINLY states that she lifts much less than that).

As for Spidey losing to BP, Reading Is Fundamental. LONG ago I said that, in MY opinion, Black Panther can probably land a punch here OR there, but his margin for error is smallllll. No amount of training/rolling with a punch can prepare one for someone who hits as hard as Spiderman.

With prep time, DUH, Black Panther walks over Spiderman. Without prep time (and this battle SHOULD be without prep time) it is Spidey's battle to lose.

There IS proof that Spidey has 30-40 reflexes faster than the average human, there is no proof to support She Hulk's case....you just can't accept, and you can't prove me wrong. There's already a link supporting it (or two) and I've already provided a thesis that you haven't been able to prove wrong yet. Granted, I did not provide the link....granted, someone else did....granted, I provided a thesis to support it...granted, you didn't prove it wrong.

Sooo....that's Me: 1, Never: 0.

As for your claim that BP could walk all over Spidey with prep time, Reading Should Be Fundamental (but in some cases such as yours, it isn't.) I clearly stated that Spidey could speedblitz BP at the starting bell, no trap would go undetected by Spidey, and obviously BP ain't hittin' Spidey with or without projectiles (spidey sense becomes this)....and he could just wait it out until an opening comes for Spidey to close in for the kill. Have you proved this wrong? Nah, at least, I didn't see a case in which you did.

And please, whatever statements I may have made in this or other posts directed at you that you may have taken as an insult, don't get fumed over it. They're just arguments, nothing personal.

I say this because I DO NOT care for turning this into another Spidey VS. DD, Cap. America, and Wolverine debate thing.

Originally posted by Max Spidey 24
Every one says one punch from spidey will take there skull. HAve U ever seen that happen buddy. The kingpins Skull didnt crack.
And Spidey doesnt crush skulls no matter what even if hes dying the man doesnt kill .

Spidey holds back with the Kingpin as well as an assortment of peak humans (and Kraven, if not, he should've BEEN jelly)......in comics. This ISN'T comics, it's a fight with comic book characters, but a characters philosophy on life and death does not matter here.

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Stop bringing race into this!!! God damn it!!! Tron,where the hell are you at????? Do your job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spiderman is not as powerful as some of us are trying to make out. He is really only supposed to fight groups of guys with guns. The aforementioned became boring for readers really quick, sothe writers brought in super badguys. Crossoversand crappy writers just pumped PP up into something he's not.
BP is underestimated. Largely.
And StrawNilla, you are either saying that BP is extremely slow, or Spidey is at least QS speed. Think about it. I know that Spidey is fast, but he's not superfast, just a bit faster than human average. And BP is very fast and strong and has extremely good reaction speeds- peak human. So don't count him out physically.
Keep up your arguements, you have presented someof the best stuff so far. 🙂

Spidey has superhuman equilibrium and reflexes as well as being superhumanly fast, agile, durable, enduring, willed, etc. BP is not. Really, calling Spidey speed just above human average is as illogical as saying QS's or Speed Demon's running speed is just above the human average. Spidey's stronger in areas where most if not all comic book characters and Marvel and DC are not, who else could bounce around numerous projectiles and attacks after being notified of their happenings instances before they occur like Spidey could? No one, including BP.

Becuase there's having peak agility and Spidey's agility.

Spidey's agility and reflexes coupled up to act as one, as part of his own unique fighting methods (style) has helped him to hold his own against characters as powerful as the Hulk for immensely extended periods of time, going into speedball mode he's driven Thor to whip out the hammer. He's a regular in the department of team wrecking, he's made SWAT teams, a terrorist, as well as other armed gunmen and expert marksmen look like ametuers even when utilizing precision targeting. There has been teams on entirely different levels such as the X-Men and the FF to go up against Spidey and fail. Many established and put together supervillains have gone mad trying to combat the guy, his elusiveness alone have consumed their thoughts.

Peak agility and reflexes are on a much, much, much, much, much, much lower level (and I do not consider myself exaggerating in saying so). With these, one is lucky to get around one or two well put together gunmen at a time, and a SWAT team would (and should...this is minus PIS) down them easily. Dodging lasers and pumpkin bombs thrown at them by a superhuman are out of the question. Granted, the average person would have a most excrutiating time trying to touch someone with agility reflexes on these levels, but it wouldn't be flat out impossible, especially when one does not have pre-cog.

So, you can take this as you please. I consider it more fact than opinion, but it's up to you to think this way or to the contrast.

By the by, thank you greatly for your last statement Lord-Of-Dreams.

It did not go unappreciated. 🙂

Well,although you are wrong😉 it's true. You presented some decent stuff. Not all that 'spiderman is stronger than BP' crap. So don't mention it 🙂

But really, you are underestimating BP. Hugely. Spidey has caused F4 troubles. I know. I respect that. But did he actually beat them?? Like BP?? I dunno...
And BP is no swat team, dude. He is a hardcore ass wupper!!! On Spidey's level for sure. He has extremely high levels in every region. Especially brains.
"Really, calling Spidey speed just above human average is as illogical as saying QS's or Speed Demon's running speed is just above the human average."
This statement is implying that Spidey is just as fast as QS/Speed Demon. Think about it. Take a second... *ding!* Matter fact, take four B. And think before... ahhh, Pharell...

Originally posted by Lord-of-Dreams
Well,although you are wrong😉 it's true. You presented some decent stuff. Not all that 'spiderman is stronger than BP' crap. So don't mention it 🙂

But really, you are underestimating BP. Hugely. Spidey has caused F4 troubles. I know. I respect that. But did he actually beat them?? Like BP?? I dunno...
And BP is no swat team, dude. He is a hardcore ass wupper!!! On Spidey's level for sure. He has extremely high levels in every region. Especially brains.
"Really, calling Spidey speed just above human average is as illogical as saying QS's or Speed Demon's running speed is just above the human average."
This statement is implying that Spidey is just as fast as QS/Speed Demon. Think about it. Take a second... *ding!* Matter fact, take four B. And think before... ahhh, Pharell...

Bp's not on Spidey's level, more like below them. All of his abilties are on an enhanced level, and "enhanced" is no testiment to Spidey's abilties AT ALL. Spidey's abilities are on the level of a high-end superhuman to low-end metahuman, this is thanks to his mutation that makes him half-man half-spider. I can't think of any attack that BP could execute that would go undetected by Spidey. And by "Spidey speed" I meant in the field of reflexes, perceptiveness, maneuverability, and speed in general combined, so, yes, saying that "Spidey speed" is just above the human average is saying that QS os Speed Demon's running speeds are just above average.

Originally posted by StrawNilla
That doesn't matter in a Comic Book versus board fight.

Spidey holds back with the Kingpin as well as an assortment of peak humans (and Kraven, if not, he should've BEEN jelly)......in comics. This ISN'T comics, it's a fight with comic book characters, but a characters philosophy on life and death does not matter here.

Actually, it does matter in here. It's assumed that they're fighting "in-character" unless the starter of the thread says otherwise.

Originally posted by Tron
Actually, it does matter in here. It's assumed that they're fighting "in-character" unless the starter of the thread says otherwise.

Spidey in-character has been klnown to knock down and even knock out some guys (like Punisher) with one punch each.

Black Panther takes this fairly easily. He wouldn't win a straight up hand-to-hand fight, but he'd pretty much go Doom on Spider-Man and come up with some plot that turns everything Spider-Man does against him. BP may not even be in the battlefield until the end...

HA! AND HA HA to you my friend!

Originally posted by StrawNilla
Well, it's not like Spidey being "in-character" means he going to just stand there and take the attacks.

Spidey in-character has been klnown to knock down and even knock out some guys (like Punisher) with one punch each.

I didn't say all that now did I? I simply said that we're not talking about Spider-Man killing anyone because he's considered "in-character" in this thread, that's all.

Originally posted by Tron
I didn't say all that now did I? I simply said that we're not talking about Spider-Man killing anyone because he's considered "in-character" in this thread, that's all.

Originally posted by demigawd
Black Panther takes this fairly easily. He wouldn't win a straight up hand-to-hand fight, but he'd pretty much go Doom on Spider-Man and come up with some plot that turns everything Spider-Man does against him. BP may not even be in the battlefield until the end...

Especially with the spider sense, the superior reflexes, the superior agility, the superior strength, the superior durability, the superior speed....and it's not like Spidey's going to be dumb and walk in to any of his traps. He'll be warned quite a time before he stumbles onto a trap aligned with an inticate electrical pattern or something of a lesser, or more hazardous extent and avoid it.

Spidey could take the physicality of BP, thanks to the enhancement in bone structure or (if you prefer) the strength of it. Standing fight or not, if BP closes in for a heymaker, Spidey could snatch him into a bear hug for a quick submission, or swat him off to the side....better yet, he could latch onto BP's flying form and swing him around into a wall or far off into the surrounding open area.

But that's the thing. Black Panther would know how to use SP-s weakness against him. Based on the battle rules, they have working knowledge of each other's powers, which means that BP knows that Spider-Man has spider-sense. Clever enemies have used that to their advantage before by misdirecting him from multiple angles, confusing him, overwhelming his spider-sense and then clocking him. BP could simply employ that strategy, then while SM is disoriented, come in and slice him. It only takes one claw strike.

Originally posted by demigawd
But that's the thing. Black Panther would know how to use SP-s weakness against him. Based on the battle rules, they have working knowledge of each other's powers, which means that BP knows that Spider-Man has spider-sense. Clever enemies have used that to their advantage before by misdirecting him from multiple angles, confusing him, overwhelming his spider-sense and then clocking him. BP could simply employ that strategy, then while SM is disoriented, come in and slice him. It only takes one claw strike.

2. Spider-Man still remains faster, stronger, more agile and more experienced than BP. And still has his web too by the way.

It's not disabling his Spider-sense. It's turning it into a liability instead of an asset.

I think of BP as a super-genius Kraven with better equipment. I think of BP as a smarter Batman and Spider-Man as a weaker Superman. I think of the results being the same.

Originally posted by demigawd
It's not disabling his Spider-sense. It's turning it into a liability instead of an asset.

I think of BP as a super-genius Kraven with better equipment. I think of BP as a smarter Batman and Spider-Man as a weaker Superman.

Originally posted by demigawd
But that's the thing. Black Panther would know how to use SP-s weakness against him. Based on the battle rules, they have working knowledge of each other's powers, which means that BP knows that Spider-Man has spider-sense. Clever enemies have used that to their advantage before by misdirecting him from multiple angles, confusing him, overwhelming his spider-sense and then clocking him. BP could simply employ that strategy, then while SM is disoriented, come in and slice him. It only takes one claw strike.

All it takes is one punch to knock BP off his game, two (if Spidey is hoding back THAT much) to knock him out or keep him disoriented for a long, long time.

Besides, it would take alot of gadgets in BP's ploy to disorient Spidey that much.

What's to say that Spidey won't get in the first attack? He KNOWS BP is no Kingpin or anyone like that, he's not scared of him mind you, but he knows NOT to hold back as much as he would with any average joe. Knowing Spidey has common sense, he'll probably go for the major stun attack, or KO. It depends.

OK look I think Black Panther is one of the tightest Hero's out the but with out prep time he just can't win this one.All the more powerful people he beat with out prep was because he was able to thank up a plan wile fighting because he was faster and more agile then them letting him bey him self time wile avoiding getting hit. In a fight against Spider-man he will not have time to thank of a plane because his speed and agility advantage is gone.NEVER I can tell you where Spider-man run faster then 75 mph in a comic in (Strange Tales Annual #2 the Amazing Spider-man face to face with the Human Torch)When Spider-man ran down and past up on foot a guy using a rocket jets and wheels on his shoes and said in the he was moving as fast as a rocket Spider-man ketches up with him and then runs in front of him and cuts him off then says(they don't call me Spider-man for nothing chump!).He all so run up the side of a building faster the the Torch could fly up it in that comic.