whos stronger superman or hulk??

No, he won't. There's no way the Hulk could get stronger than Superman in one fight. The Hulk could possibly win but that'd take a hell of a lot of powering up & there'd be nothing to tick the Hulk off to the point of him surpassing Superman. I just don't see it happening. And as for Goku, as much as I like him, he'd be the first one to go. His power isn't anything to these two. Even if he can just blow up the Hulk's head, it'll just regenerate. Maybe if Goku would've been shown doing more physical feats he'd be able to withstand what these two can dish out but he can't even lift 40 tons in his base form. The most he can lift is 200-400 tons which would be by using Super Saiyan 3 but that's still nothing to these two.

"No, he won't. There's no way the Hulk could get stronger than Superman in one fight."

Your "no way" is off the beat. He already has higher strenght feats on his belt than post crisis Supes.

Regulary wise he doesnt get that high. But he can and he has done it more than once.

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"And as for Goku, as much as I like him, he'd be the first one to go. His power isn't anything to these two."

Raw power? Its higher.

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"but he can't even lift 40 tons in his base form"

Wich is wrong. Having troubles with said weight isent the same as -not- able to deal with it alltogether.

Considering he was still up in the air and wasent falling down, id say that he was having troubles, not that he couldnt take it.

Ummm....

Isn't Pre-Crisis Superman WAy stronger than Hulk?

Exactly how much could Pre-Crisis Superman lift?

The Hulks power is unlimited, therfor the hulk.

Originally posted by olympian
"No, he won't. There's no way the Hulk could get stronger than Superman in one fight."

Your "no way" is off the beat. He already has higher strenght feats on his belt than post crisis Supes.

Regulary wise he doesnt get that high. But he can and he has done it more than once.

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"And as for Goku, as much as I like him, he'd be the first one to go. His power isn't anything to these two."

Raw power? Its higher.

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"but he can't even lift 40 tons in his base form"

Wich is wrong. Having troubles with said weight isent the same as -not- able to deal with it alltogether.

Considering he was still up in the air and wasent falling down, id say that he was having troubles, not that he couldnt take it.

He couldn't take it. He was plummeting to the ground before he turned Super Saiyan. And Goku can't take the kind of power the Hulk & Superman wield. I believe that you debated with dvampire about Superman versus Goku & he pwned the shit out of you. Is this something you want to go through again? I mean, Goku can't even breathe in space let alone take earth shattering blows. He can barely take strong Ki blasts. Goku doesn't have the physical strength that it'd take to fight Superman & the Hulk. If he struggles with 40 tons in his base form, then he may only be able to lift 200 tons maximum but only while using SSJ3. Power Levels are ONLY their energy ratings, nothing more, nothing less. DBZ characters aren't even able to take physical attacks that well, something Superman & the Hulk are best at dishing out. Superman once completely vaporized someone with his heat vision, he could do the same to Goku. The Hulk once had his entire flesh ripped off of him & regenerated, something Goku can't do which also means his energy attacks wouldn't do anything to the Hulk. The Hulk even destroyed a planetoid twice the size of the Earth with his bare hands, also something that Goku CAN'T do. The Hulk also lifted a million or billion ton mountain, something that Goku would never be able to do. Superman once lifted a 97,000 ton plane, something Goku can't do because he struggles to lift 40 ton weights & buildings. DBZ characters rely on energy attacks basically all of the time which is why they aren't resistant to physical attacks. This a argument you don't want to get into, boy.

Hulk wins 😛

"He couldn't take it. He was plummeting to the ground before he turned Super Saiyan."

The only thing we see its him in a position that indicates he was having troubles with the weight.

We dont see him falling down. It all happens while he is up in the air. Therefore either you checked it wrong or you are exageratting. Wich one?

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"And Goku can't take the kind of power the Hulk & Superman wield"

Come back to me when Superman and Hulk start yelding power to at least destroy planets with relative ease. Goku was already facing guys who could do that before he got to be "Super".

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"I believe that you debated with dvampire about Superman versus Goku & he pwned the shit out of you"

You "belive", or you dont know? Lets see how good you do in the rest of your own quiz.

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"I mean, Goku can't even breathe in space let alone take earth shattering blows."

Its going to be difficult for you to own someone when you show you lack the aknowlege to do so. Here, read the translated Manga. All of it. Maybe you will do better the next time:

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/

*You will find a nice example of kid Goku using his staff as means to get to the moon and leaving pll there. Without any breathing apparathus. What will you make of that i wonder?*

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"If he struggles with 40 tons in his base form, then he may only be able to lift 200 tons maximum but only while using SSJ3"

So he struggles or he couldnt at all? Wich is it? Show some consistency here.

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"Power Levels are ONLY their energy ratings, nothing more, nothing less. DBZ characters aren't even able to take physical attacks that well, something Superman & the Hulk are best at dishing out"

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/index.php?folder=/

Ki= includes power and strenght. Good reading.

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"Superman once completely vaporized someone with his heat vision, he could do the same to Goku"

Of course the fact Goku can teleport in any area around him, or be a lot more effective speedlitz figther or even the fact he packs more firwepower, doesnt tell how he could deal with it?

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"The Hulk once had his entire flesh ripped off of him & regenerated, something Goku can't do which also means his energy attacks wouldn't do anything to the Hulk"

Oh yes, Vector`s blast. Pretty úber werent they? And how powerful wer they. Mountain level? City level? Moon level? Planet level?

Since it was Hulk, they wer probably galaxy busting ones.

That is a feat of healing ability, nothing more. And here`s a guess. Roshi blasted the moon in the beginning of the series. He was dwarfed by everyone else save one in the beginning of the "second series" wich is more commonly known as dbZ.

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"The Hulk even destroyed a planetoid twice the size of the Earth with his bare hands, also something that Goku CAN'T do"

He doesnt need to punch. He can just zap it out of existence. We have examples of that kind of power since the Vegeta saga in the beginning of Z. And moon examples way before.

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"The Hulk also lifted a million or billion ton mountain, something that Goku would never be able to do"

He doesnt need to. This isent an armwrestling match. Its a fight. Where pll use theyr powers. And he packs more than either alone.

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"DBZ characters rely on energy attacks basically all of the time which is why they aren't resistant to physical attacks"

And Superman relies on HV because of what. He was chickening against Thor then, not able to take him physically? Your theory is interesting. I kind of like it.

When you have the time to read the manga. *Hey its Sunday!* You will see him even as a kid surviving blasts/explosions whose porpuse was to destroy cities.

Yeah. They sure cant take no physical form attacks. Damn it.

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"This a argument you don't want to get into, boy.!"

I seem to be doing pretty fine so far old man. Enjoy the reading.

DBZ is pretty inconsistent; in the very same storyline where Goku struggled with 40 tons in his base form, Gohan easily handled a falling plane in his base form while he acting as a superhero. However, while no one in the series has any lifting feats that stack up to Superman’s or the Hulk’s, the characters have displayed some rather impressive feats of their own.

The villains in particular have high-level feats, which makes it more impressive when the heroes beat them. For instance, Frieza picked up mountain with his mind and chucked at Goku (which he split in half easily). Frieza, while cut in half and dying, survived a planet exploding whiled he was on it. Cell stated that he could destroy the solar system with a single attack and an injured Gohan literally beat him with one arm. Brolly destroyed an entire galaxy in seconds and was not even phased when he fell into lava. Majin Buu (almost) ripped a hole in the dimension when he was pissed and even succeeded in doing so at a time before. Buu also demonstrated FTL speeds when he flew to various inhabited planets to destroy them.

Gotenks also showed FTL speeds when he circled the Earth 36 times in second or two; and Goku has use instant transmission to travel to other planets in distant solar systems in seconds. Goku has also demonstrated that he was fast enough to pull of the same intangibility trick that Supes used on Doomsday; when the red guy and the blue guy on the Ginyu Force (can’t remember their names) tried to punch him, he dodged them so fast that it looked like he didn’t move at all. This made it seem as though their punches went right through him.

I’m not saying Goku can beat Superman; he has not been around for nearly as long as Supes and he doesn’t have nearly as many impressive feats and it’s just too hard to really tell how a fight between them would in my opinion. However, he does have some nice feats of his own that lead me to believe he is at least top-tier, right up there in Superman’s league.

That he *can* beat him its a sure possibility. Even more than once. Easily.

That he will *own* him its not. However some here only think in terms of ownage. Wich is absurd when top tier hardly own others of the same or higher power bracet. Even below.

Here he is facing a guy that yelds more power than he regulary does. And yet pll come out and claim theres *no way* he can be beaten by this opposition. Or thats hes not *even close*

To all of those, i take off my hat to you. Excellent consistency work.

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so superman beats hulk... cause he's stronger, hulks real only power... rite enough about goku, he's not part of dc nor marvel, so i dont care about the japs bull crap. (OTT fighting, skills, powers... like their films really)

I've read basically ALL of the manga. Also, sure that Goku can vaporize a planetoid but he doesn't have the PHYSICAL strength to destroy it with his bare hands. Also, with a clap of his hands if he's super-pissed, the Hulk could destroy the entire planet Earth & more, he CAN breathe in space & DB/Z is inconsistent. If Goku can breathe in space then why didn't he say he could when Namek was about to explode? If he was supposed to be so strong then why couldn't he take the explosion & shrug it off? Superman would be able to without breaking a sweat & he wouldn't even have to have used a lot of power to take down Frieza, Frieza would've been practice for Superman. Also, Superman would just be able to lobotomize Goku with his heat vision, his heat vision is equivalent to the intensity of dozens/hundreds of suns, he could easily destroy the Earth with full powered heat blasts. As for speed, Superman is way faster. Besides, Goku needs to tap onto a person's Ki to use Instant Transmission so that wouldn't work in a battle against Superman. And watch the cartoons with Superman, it shows him taking a lot of damage & just shrugging it off. Superman can also turn back time, he could just do that & make sure that Goku never comes to be. Superman can even make himself intangible & invisible. Superman has many abilities, many of which would put Goku out easily. Superman's strength is far superior to Goku's because he's moved PLANETS TWICE the size of the Earth. Has Goku done that? No. Can he do it? No. As for your ''old man'' comment, I'm FAR from old, I'm not even 15 yet.

wow someone is a superman fanboy there is something in comics called PIS in maga it's differn't the whole thing is PIS so their powers are inconsistant like Goku he was at a power level that could destroy planets back in the sayian saga and faster then light how ever he doesn't seem to show that power later on.

serously if supes is that tuff then anyfore that can even budge him should destroy the state he's in. That doesn't happen writters just love supes so much they but that crap in their so they can feel good inside and exclaim to themsleves that supes is the best ever. they do the same thing with wolverine

"I've read basically ALL of the manga"

Only basically? Thats a good start...

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"Also, sure that Goku can vaporize a planetoid but he doesn't have the PHYSICAL strength to destroy it with his bare hands"

If he can destroy one easily with power alone why would he even need to get physical?

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"he CAN breathe in space & DB/Z is inconsistent"

So is Superman and Hulk. Hulk claps a cosmos but gets beaten by SpiderMan and a snake. Superman figths Doomsday but gets knocked the lights out by a gas station explosion.

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"If Goku can breathe in space then why didn't he say he could when Namek was about to explode?"

Because the story didnt required it to. Welcome to the inconsistency of the writers around the world. DC, Marvel and Manga alike.

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"Superman would be able to without breaking a sweat & he wouldn't even have to have used a lot of power to take down Frieza"

I tough you said you had read the Manga. Superman sure goes against alot of pll that have two planet busting moments under his belt without even using all his power 😆

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"Frieza would've been practice for Superman"

Oh damn i cant stop laughting. more, more!

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"Also, Superman would just be able to lobotomize Goku with his heat vision, his heat vision is equivalent to the intensity of dozens/hundreds of suns"

Show me the scan where that number is quantified. Mr "hundred of suns". Somehow i think you are refering to another S thats in Marvel right now. Also if you read the manga you would know that, Goku has means to deal with HV like other long range attacks.

Sure it can get him. And on the other hand it cant. Thats what a fight is.

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"Besides, Goku needs to tap onto a person's Ki to use Instant Transmission so that wouldn't work in a battle against Superman"

Depends on the location. Either Earth or space, as long theres life signatures for teleportation use.

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"And watch the cartoons with Superman, it shows him taking a lot of damage & just shrugging it off"

🪩

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"Superman can also turn back time"

Your way late. "Our" Superman isent pre crisis anymore. He cant do it and hasent done it since the 80`s.

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"Superman's strength is far superior to Goku's because he's moved PLANETS TWICE the size of the Earth"

Show me post crisis Superman moving a planet twice Earth`s size. Heres a tip. Warlord wich he -did- moved in recent history was the size of Pluto and he was boosted in power. How does Pluto relates to Earth in size? Homework for you.

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"As for your ''old man'' comment, I'm FAR from old, I'm not even 15 yet"

Yeah thats another way to explain how you seem to be clueless in this debate.

well your a sarcastic **** i'll give you that. Superman did resist a pluto sized base, but it was powered to the imperiex power, which i hear is very powerful and superman resisted even that, i wouldnt keep quoting now mate, your laughable at best now. I was on your side for the start of the arguement but now i had to say something cause you arent funny nor smart by the looks of your resent quest to be 'cool' and answer like a cock head

"well your a sarcastic **** i'll give you that"

Thank you.

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"Superman did resist a pluto sized base, but it was powered to the imperiex power, which i hear is very powerful and superman resisted even that"

You added nothing to the point, considering the claim i answered for.

It was still pluto size and he was boosted. My question remains for the gent who gave it. Where did he moved twice Earth`s sized planets, post crisis?

I know the answer. Do you?

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"i wouldnt keep quoting now mate, your laughable at best now"

What i am "quoting" here?

😆

Im aswering your "arguments", if we can call them that. So what twice earths size planets he moved and how many "hundred of suns" is the Hv hotther than?

Now -that- is fun.

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"I was on your side for the start of the arguement but now i had to say something cause you arent funny nor smart by the looks of your resent quest to be 'cool' and answer like a cock head"

With replies like the ones ive been answering that claim off the base info, i dont even need to be "cool". You people lose at the get - go.

i agree with olympian on all counts...

Olympian is full of shit. Post Crisis Superman lifted 20 tons with one hand, Goku more than likely wouldn't be able to lift more than 10 tons with one hand. Also, when someone is a fanboy like you it's hard to admit that you're wrong, huh? I don't really give a **** about energy attacks, I'm saying Goku isn't physically stronger than Superman because he isn't & never will be be. Goku has more Ki but that still doesn't make him stronger.

... man i wish this wasn't a forum, rather a room full of people because they'd really shut up, face to face, people are chicken shit when confronted... fcuking internet wanks! (yes refering to fan boy shit face olympenis!)

"Olympian is full of shit. Post Crisis Superman lifted 20 tons with one hand, Goku more than likely wouldn't be able to lift more than 10 tons with one hand"

He was moving boulders as a kid. And he sure never proven strong enough to go toe to toe with beings who can blow up planets. Has he?

*reads manga* oww he has! Damn!

The only one full of shit its you who dont back up what you -claim-. Show me post crisis Superman moving planets bigger than Earth and the quote of his HV being hotter than hundred of suns.

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"Also, when someone is a fanboy like you it's hard to admit that you're wrong, huh?"

A fanboy is someone who exagerattes what a character does. Rings any bell? Show me the examples you claimed above. Back up or leave debating to the grownups.

Altho i can already tell you wont. Know why? Because they dont exist. Anyone who has read Superman since crisis knows this. You appearantly dont.

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"I don't really give a **** about energy attacks"

So what the characters can do you dont give a shit about? Are you using your own versions of the characters then? L.o.L.

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"Goku has more Ki but that still doesn't make him stronger."

The ki is the very reason it makes him strong enough and more powerful. Thats all you need to take a win against Superman, among others.

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"man i wish this wasn't a forum, rather a room full of people because they'd really shut up, face to face, people are chicken shit when confronted... fcuking internet wanks! (yes refering to fan boy shit face olympenis!)"

Its spelled: "Olympians"

I can tell you wouldnt do good even face to face. Think about it. You do badly here and expect to do better when -everyone- can see your poker face? nah nah.

So how does Pluto relates with Earth again? Have you two done your homework?