Originally posted by loserib
if you say so .Metallica are banking on the fact that they could put out crap and all the metalliclones will buy it no matter how it sounds
This is about who are the better band.
Metallica have made music that remains unmatched by alot of bands today. Megadeth included.
-AC
Originally posted by Korri
Can i just say what pointless jibberish this thread is built on... sleeping
This entire threat was sheer ignorance, this post, even more so.
Firstly, Megadeth would not exsist if it wasnt for Metallica...
Nor would Metallica likely exist today if not for Mustaine. Most likely they never would have came across Cliff either, had half the songs on Kill 'Em All or Ride The Lightning, Call of Ktulu or Leper Messiah. Nor would we have ever known who Cliff Burton was or Marty Friedman, and Testament would sound very different!
But if you look at it that way, I thank Metallica for kicking Mustaine out and bringing us Megadeth! (2 good bands.. well one once good band and one good band anyway is better than 1!)
Maybe if Dave Mustaine hadnt been such a f.uckwhit to begin with then he may have still been in the band, to be quite honest its probably best that he was kicked out...he was a violent drunk and needed a boot up the arse to get himself sorted out. So all this bitterness that Mustaine has been dwelling on for the past 20 years is all down to one person....himself.
It was to the best he was kicked out, I do agree with that. There wasn't room for him and Hetfield in the band back then. He went and formed what in my opinion is a much better band and easily a more talented band, at least over time if not at each band's peak.
Megadeth are an ok band in his defense, he is a good guitariast and i have been to see them before, they put on a good show but his attitude towards Metallica is so pathetic.
Maybe if he would shut the f*ck up and stop moaning about the past he would actually get somewhere.
oh and room #99, its you that seems to have the problem not AC, he is only airing a point of view and just because you dont agree with what he is saying doesnt mean that you have the right to loos the place with him.
It's hard not too. He talks of James Hetfield as if he played some inhumanly possible guitar parts that nobody else could play, when in reality it was nothing all that hard. More then that, all Hetfield's semi-impressive guitar parts were headed straight downhill after 1986, and died come albums like Load, Reload, and St Anger.
Originally posted by shred5
It's hard not too. He talks of James Hetfield as if he played some inhumanly possible guitar parts that nobody else could play, when in reality it was nothing all that hard. More then that, all Hetfield's semi-impressive guitar parts were headed straight downhill after 1986, and died come albums like Load, Reload, and St Anger.
I don't judge talent by who can play who's riffs. Mustaine could play Master of Puppets and mostly anything off that album.....MAYBE. Could he have created them? Bar Leper Messiah? No.
Originally posted by shred5
That's not a fact you know. And there is no way they can compare at the musicianship level, on ANY front they just don't have it, especially their latest pathetic releases.
"That's not a fact you know".
Thy must practice what thy preach. I'm quite good, must admit.
-AC
This thread is hilarious. I am contributing heartily to it cos I like discussing this kind of thing, not for wont of being an *******, but I find it interesting to take a stance on something I feel strongly about and see what response I may get.
Firstly I wonder whether most of the people who think James is a better rhythm guitarist than Dave have ever even bothered listening to Megadeth. I find it totally amusing when people say that kind of crap. James is a great guitarist, but technically Dave is superior...uh-oh, that just leads to people saying that Dave couldn't write anything as good as James, which isn't true at all. I can't take anyone seriously that is willing to look me in the eye and tell me Master of Puppets is better than Rust In Peace. Master of Puppets is good, but it's also a bit bland, not as fresh as Ride The Lightning and not as consistent. WHY DO PEOPLE THINK IT IS THE BEST METAL ALBUM EVER!? I don't understand. It;s simply a great album, but it is not an awesome one. Rust In Peace has better riffs, MUCH better playing, cooler lyrics, is a lot more fun...hell, you can't get any more metal than that album. Peace Sells also just edges out MOP, but I'd say it falls short of Ride The Lightning.
People who say Kirk is better at lead than Mustaine are also clueless...here's why...Mustaine plays RHYTHM guitar, ok? Marty Friedman was the main lead and solo man in Megadeth, and he utterly wipes the floor with Kirks playing. Kirk is of course fast and skilled, but technically speaking Marty Friedman is superior in technique, speed, melodic sensibilities, everything. I would seriously like to see Kirk try and play the solo from say Tornado of Souls (which is simply incredible)...he wouldn't be able to, he simply isn't good enough. And whereas Kirk got lazy and now is a shadow of his former self, Friedman is still totally ripping at it. Kirk is good, but he was, is and never will be as good as Marty Friedman. Not by a long-shot.
If you think Megadeth is a crappy band not on par with Metallica do me a favour and simply listen to Rust In Peace...way better than anything Metallica ever achieved in almost everyway. Plus Metallica haven't been good since 1989, they are a bunch of whining, arrogant jerks with insane egos, no concept of good music, no concept of anything. They are just clueless. Megadeth's 90s output absolutely crushes Metallica's 90s output, and their 80s work mostly surpasses Metallica's stuff too (with the sole exception of Ride The Lightning, specifically).
Metallica are and always will be one of the most overrated bands in the history of music. The only thing they did for metal was make it popular...they didn't really radically improve it...despite putting out a few good albums, they didn't make it much more amazing than it already was. They used to care about improving metal and music but they threw it all away and spat in the fan's faces. Overall they've served as a ridiculous spectacle that makes the metal world look bad, and Megadeth have been there matching them, and surpassing them the entire way...with the exception of being as popular, or as respected...and that's sad.
Megadeth >>> Metallica. Good god. Better musicians, better song-writers, better riffs, better lyrics, better. everything. period.
PS. The one thing in this argument that can easily be refuted is Mustaine's vocals...I understand why people would not like them. They are not technically the best, and turn many away, which is unfortunate. But personally I love his voice, and without that getting in the way of my appreciation of the music I totally dig it all the more. I don't think you can base the superiority of Metallica solely on Hetfield being the better vocalist though.
Metallica >>> Megadeth. Good God. Better musicians, better song writers, better riffs, better everything. Period.
See? I can do it too and MINE still stands. You know why? I'll give you ONE post to guess.
I don't base my view of Metallica (a view shared by Mustaine) being better on James's vocals. I base it on the albums they put out.
Master of Puppets >>> Anything Megadeth.
You obviously think it's all fact what you said. You see, you can't do that unless you're me, coz I pull it off. I balance it, regardless of how stupid and dumb an opinion is, I respect the persons right to have it.
You sir, do not...and now, you've got me to deal with. Take a shot.
-AC
No, yours does not stand, cos your post has nothing more to it. I said more than just that and you choose to ignore that fact.
It was all, of course, my opinion. I just choose to express it in a forceful sounding way. Sorry if you took it all as me saying it as fact.
IN MY OPINION the only thing Metallica does better as vocals, and you can't say Metallica is superior just cos of that. You don't share that view? Fine. But I'm sick of people failing to justify anything.
'Metallica is awesome, lol Megadeth is so bland and boring and stupid. Mustaine is so bad at guitar compaired to James, man Kirk is so much better, Metallica wrote such better music'...
It's like IDIOT, do you even LISTEN to Megadeth!? Bet most of you don't. God, they are as good as Metallica and more, I see it so clearly it annoys me that others are so flippant about it. Or you like listen once and then think you know all there is to know. That really annoys me. And I'm not accusing you personally Alpha, I'm talking in general. People always do that. It's like they want to rag on Megadeth just because they were never as popular. Yeah, well, their music is as good or better, try actually listening to it properly.
I have strong opinions. Ok? I stand by all I said. No matter how strong my opinion sounds it is of course still opinion, how could it be any other way huh? There is no such thing as an objective viewpoint.
Originally posted by Staticnz
No, yours does not stand, cos your post has nothing more to it. I said more than just that and you choose to ignore that fact.
Yes it does stand. If you want proof, then I will ask, to what? To me, Master of Puppets is all you need to compare. It shows who the better band is.
Originally posted by Staticnz
IN MY OPINION the only thing Metallica does better as vocals, and you can't say Metallica is superior just cos of that. You don't share that view? Fine. But I'm sick of people failing to justify anything.
I can't say that, and I have never tried to. I say they're superior for reasons you've seen. Why do you deserve MY justification? I think they're better, millions of people think they're better. Megadeth are good and successful, but they're not Metallica and they never will be. One of the people who shares my view is Mustaine himself. A man who said he would go back in time and stay with Metallica if he could.
Originally posted by Staticnz
It's like IDIOT, do you even LISTEN to Megadeth!? Bet most of you don't. God, they are as good as Metallica and more, I see it so clearly it annoys me that others are so flippant about it. Or you like listen once and then think you know all there is to know. That really annoys me. And I'm not accusing you personally Alpha, I'm talking in general. People always do that.
I listen to Megadeth. What now? What are you doing to do now? I don't personally give a care what you see "clearly" or not. There's people who "clearly" see Ashlee Simpson's talent. See what I'm heading Mr. 20/20 Vision? Not to be offensive but you shouldn't assume we're making judges on Megadeth without knowing. I've heard all their albums, more than once. Metallica are just in another league.
-AC
So A.C..... your opinion is based on one album? If you go album to album, song to song, they seem pretty close.
Staticnz, I dont know if i would call Metallica the most overated band. In my opinion, they deserve every accolade they have gotten. They made a consious decision to make their music more appealing to the general listener(note the hiring of Bob Rock for the Black album).