Originally posted by Ushgarak
Very possibly, but we are getting into a different convo now.My point was that it is not possible to instinctively think about the risk of losing your money in response to someone's life (or health) being at risk.
It's something you would have to put sveeral stages of thought into
(with, again, the earlier proviso that you can beahviour modify people into any reaction, but that has to be intense, and is normally the sort of thing you teach in, say, martial arts).
The fear of losing your job hanging over you day after day....
Originally posted by Ushgarak
And I was talkiing about instinctive thought.And as I also pointed out, PVS, that is the way he would have been trained to react in such a circumstance. How he thinks on rational analysis is a very different conversation to someone's instinctive thought. If you thought on rational analysis abut the risk of being sued... well, I might not like that, but I'd accept it as possible.
Furthermore, we don't even know if he KNEW any first aid, or if it was his responsibility to call an ambulance.
-he's the store manager. who else is responsible?
-she was in shock, so her life was in immediate danger
you dont have to work at the e.r. to know when someone falls and
starts convulsing, there is NO time to waste. its not like she was just sitting there nursing a sprained ankle.
People don't always show visible shock symptoms, and recognising them is, I am afraid, a trained business.
Again, I repeat, what he thought in intellectual analysis of a prolojned situation has absolutely nothing to do with any point I have made. If you want to say he was not a nice man, fine! But that makes no difference to anything I said.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
But the instinct was irrelevant, because the situation was done by the time he was able to think about it! So instead his rational and intellectual responses came to the fore.
Well this guy must've rationalised to to come over as someone who chose not to give a crap about this woman, and before making sure that the woman was even covered (Being in shock) or even asking if she could move or anything even resembling and attempt at making sure she was ok, he was running around for a camera to get the details...
I had to see to that and call an ambulance... No wonder she was successful in getting compo....
Originally posted by Ushgarak
People don't always show visible shock symptoms, and recognising them is, I am afraid, a trained business.Again, I repeat, what he thought in intellectual analysis of a prolojned situation has absolutely nothing to do with any point I have made. If you want to say he was not a nice man, fine! But that makes no difference to anything I said.
Well this one did show blatant signs and the guy being a manager SHOULD know that first aid (Which he should've had) or not....
Apart from that, then yes. Ok. He was NOT a nice man and I was disgusted by his lack of compassion. Which I still feel is a big old part of the problems in society today.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
when I saw an elderly woman slip over on a grape that was on the fresh fruit aisle... Bang....! Down see went (Breaking her shoulder as I later found out,) she was in shock and lying on the floor shivering.
shivering is enough of a sign to know she is badly f'd up. i think its instinct to know something is really bad in such a situation.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Do you know how much the manager cared about the woman in question... Seemingly nothing.. He was more concerned by gathering info for health and saftey/ insurance's details than calling ambulances or administering any first aid.....Or even attempting talking to her.....
Therefore.... THAT guy's first thought WAS figures/money.... It does actaully happen in some peoples mind..... and that just one case...
its a store manager's responsability to call the police or paramedics...i imaging a life threatening situation like a robbery would have its own rules. ive managed retail and thats the way it is. you are in charge of the place, and anyone who enters and is not on official business is a guest in your establishment. if they are an off duty paramedic in the store it is still YOUR responsability to make sure the call is made.
Originally posted by PVS
shivering is enough of a sign to know she is badly f'd up. i think its instinct to know something is really bad in such a situation.its a store manager's responsability to call the police or paramedics...i imaging a life threatening situation like a robbery would have its own rules. ive managed retail and thats the way it is. you are in charge of the place, and anyone who enters and is not on official business is a guest in your establishment. if they are an off duty paramedic in the store it is still YOUR responsability to make sure the call is made.
Thank you PVS. And this guy put insurance above any of that. I hope that dickhead DID lose his job through neglect or delreliction of duty...
Sorry to have got on my high horse about that, but thats always stuck with me for the last two years...
well, the whole point of this tangent is to show that fear of lawyers is REAL. many have the good nature to only be concerned for the well being of the person who is in danger, but its so ingrained in peoples heads...like a phobia. at the place i managed, the owner was TERRIFIED of being sued. i'd be surprised if she didnt give herself an ulcer.
That guy was MASSIVE ; Whoa !
Still this throws in the 'Good Samaritan' case into the question. Well , in my experience in moments like this, people dont think, they just react.
However i didnt see ant reaction whatsoever. Jone's behavior was outrageous, but i would have expected ALL those people to stick up for that guy.
Now all those guys seen on TV by their co-workers and friends know that they are pussies.
Originally posted by PVS
well, the whole point of this tangent is to show that fear of lawyers is REAL. many have the good nature to only be concerned for the well being of the person who is in danger, but its so ingrained in peoples heads...like a phobia. at the place i managed, the owner was TERRIFIED of being sued. i'd be surprised if she didnt give herself an ulcer.
Thanks man. My point exactly.