In a straight fight, just meet, no prep time even with Bat's belt he's gonna loose cause he don't know how strong, and how tough Logan is. Bats probably has more brains, and knows more martial arts so what that isn't going to save him if he's just thrown into a fight again Logan. Maybe if he knows Logan's abilities, and has some time to prepare just maybe he could take Logan. Logan is better at just being thrown into a fight then Bruce is.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I meant street smarts and do you really me to go in depth as to why Wolverine has superior battle experience and street smarts?Batman has no prep time for this fight, he doesn't have his belt, it is just a straight up fight between Logan and Bruce... you understand this right? On the fly in the middle of fight there is little Batman's intelligence will do for him unless there are random plot devices scattered around for Batman to use but that isn't the case. Seriously what is he going to do?
If he was like Jackie Chan he could use anything around him as a weapon. To bad I've never seen him do anything like that ever.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I meant street smarts and do you really me to go in depth as to why Wolverine has superior battle experience and street smarts?Batman has no prep time for this fight, he doesn't have his belt, it is just a straight up fight between Logan and Bruce... you understand this right? On the fly in the middle of fight there is little Batman's intelligence will do for him unless there are random plot devices scattered around for Batman to use but that isn't the case. Seriously what is he going to do?
I think you're the one having a problem understanding here....
Batman is not a one dimensional character that is only capable of defeating people using his utility belt and prep time. Most cases he gets no prep time what-so-ever and yet he is still able to take out bad guys who's abilities dwarf that of Wolverine.
His intelligence MOST CERTAINLY will make a huge difference in this fight.
And what exactly did Batman do for the first 20 years he was written? Hmmmm....I'm fairly sure he was busy "street fighting" in Gotham City on a day to day basis.
The default rules on Comic Book Resource Forums place both fighters in an empty arean and default rules for KMC comic battles where borrowed from their.
I need some examples of how Bruces superiour intellegance will be any help to him in a hand to hand fight with out his belt against someone above him physically in every way and in an area that isn't filled with random plot devices.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
I think you're the one having a problem understanding here....Batman is not a one dimensional character that is only capable of defeating people using his utility belt and prep time. Most cases he gets no prep time what-so-ever and yet he is still able to take out bad guys who's abilities dwarf that of Wolverine.
His intelligence MOST CERTAINLY will make a huge difference in this fight.
And what exactly did Batman do for the first 20 years he was written? Hmmmm....I'm fairly sure he was busy "street fighting" in Gotham City on a day to day basis.
us "bat boys' gotta look out for mr.wayne...their are still those who believe he needs time to prepare and "a magical belt " to win battles.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I need some examples of how Bruces superiour intellegance will be any help to him in a hand to hand fight with out his belt against someone above him physically in every way and in an area that isn't filled with random plot devices.
Some Batman-fans hate to accept facts.
Batman's more about brains then fighting. He might be good at fighting but his main thing is being a detective, and his stamina is way lower then Logan's. Sure Bruce dodged bullets but that's cause he needs to, Logan has no reason to dodge much of anything. Bat has no belt, and no known abilities of Logan's powers so he's not gonna think he's going to be a threat.
Originally posted by who?-kid
Advice: don't bother asking examples how Batman will defeat Wolverine. You just won't get them. I asked in another thread what Batman is gonna do in order to truly defeat Spider-Man, but all I got is silence...Some Batman-fans hate to accept facts.
It's a comic book....there are no "facts" about who would beat who....
Why can't someone give you a reason why Batman can beat Spiderman?
Probably because he uses a mixture of intelligence and the environment around him in order to find a solution.
Most of the shit he does is beyond human comprehension to begin with...
You can't put a scenario on intelligence.
Why is Doom always given the benefit of the doubt during fights? why is he considered sooooo powerful? He's just a guy in a suit. He should be Iron Man's arch nemesis, they both have sweet suits....but instead he's the entire Fantastic Four's arch nemesis.
Again I state....the strongest muscle of all isn't being taken into consideration during this fight.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
It's a comic book....there are no "facts" about who would beat who....Why can't someone give you a reason why Batman can beat Spiderman?
Probably because he uses a mixture of intelligence and the environment around him in order to find a solution.Most of the shit he does is beyond human comprehension to begin with...
You can't put a scenario on intelligence.
Why is Doom always given the benefit of the doubt during fights? why is he considered sooooo powerful? He's just a guy in a suit. He should be Iron Man's arch nemesis, they both have sweet suits....but instead he's the entire Fantastic Four's arch nemesis.
Again I state....the strongest muscle of all isn't being taken into consideration during this fight.
I take it your "pro batman" like me right burlybrawl
Originally posted by Linkalicious
It's a comic book....there are no "facts" about who would beat who....Why can't someone give you a reason why Batman can beat Spiderman?
Probably because he uses a mixture of intelligence and the environment around him in order to find a solution.Most of the shit he does is beyond human comprehension to begin with...
You can't put a scenario on intelligence.
Again I state....the strongest muscle of all isn't being taken into consideration during this fight.
Anyways, intelligence only gets you so far. The "there's always a solution for every problem"-theory just isn't true. It sounds cool, but it is a lie.
Sometimes your enemy is just too strong, too savage, too tough and too dangerous and there's not a thing Batman can do about it.
It is a hand to hand fight for godsake! What is he going to do, use his superior intellect to trick Wolverine into punching himself? Or maybe kick himself? He doesn't have anything on his person that would help him and they are in an arena that doesn't have anything he can exploit to win! Maybe, maybe if he was fighting Mac Gargan in the same situation his superior intelligence would allow him to pull out a win but since Wolverine isn't mentally handicap or unstable it is a moot point.
So this basically comes down to who is a better hand to hand fighter.
Bruce wins IMO....he's a better martial artist.
Wolverine SHOULD be significantly weaker than 800 lbs of strength w/o adamantium because in all the bios I've read they credit his adamantium skeleton with his superior strength.
You're going to have a damn hard time convincing me that he's faster than Batman. Sure, I'll agree they are reasonably equal in speed, but I refuse to believe Wolverine is capable of dancing circle around Batman.
Of course....taking it to hand to hand combat is taking Batman out of his element and putting him in Wolverine's element in order to strengthen your arguement as well as discredit mine, but oh well....lets not play fair...lets play by your rules.
The "Dark Knight" just lost whatever advantage he might have had....so lets go put them in a green grassy field on a nice hot summer day. Heaven forbid this happen in a dark alley or in a factory or any sort of neutral ground.