Even his healing factor has been wildly inconsistent. NOW people say he is immune to poison (unless he has been retconned, that is incorrect (perhaps the writer at that time gave him an immunity)), but he has always been vulnerable to poisoning.
Ehh, his healing factor does not work instantly. It takes time...and it is inferior to Hulk's.
Which takes time.
Not certain how much his senses will help him in close-range h2h though, if at all.
His healing factor works on energy as I stated before, if he's running on decent amounts of energy his healing factor will be kicking it into high gear (assuming he's well fed and rested before the fight) with bone, bone wolverine's healing factor is in an overdrive mode (the only way to kill him being decapitation)
Wolverine has actually been shwon to be rather immune to poision once he drank some poision that was enough to take down 10 elephants or something to that effect. But has you stated it's inconsistant. the speed of his healing factor is entirely circumstantial. In fights with the hulk his muscles were turned into jelly by hulk blows and healed by the time hulk hit him again.
That's not true.
He was fully rested in Uncanny #173 and was knocked out by poison in his tea.
Hell, in New X-Men on Genosha he took multiple rounds in his chest/face and it took a bit for him to heal all of them.
When Mystique was training in Arcade's Murderworld they listed his jugular/carotid as a vulnerable area because it was not protected by his "unbreakable skeleton."
It has to be the writer's interpretation, but he has been most often portrayed as having to take time to heal from his wounds.
During the Mutant Massacre (shoot, what was their collective named? Arclight, Riptide, Vertigo, and I am missing two) when he stabbed Rachel through her heart, she later TK picked him up, burned him up a little, and dropped in onto a rr track with an oncoming train.
He couldn't even move out of the way under his own power. Kitty Pryde had to save him.
No way he heals instantly or even close to it.
"He was fully rested in Uncanny #173 and was knocked out by poison in his tea."
yeah back in the day. the only way i figure, is he must be immune to some poisions but not others (like the dredd pirate roberts, maybe part of his weapon x training i don't know). Seriously though I could go find that comic and post pics if you want. He just picked his teeth after sucking down some poision.
"Hell, in New X-Men on Genosha he took multiple rounds in his chest/face and it took a bit for him to heal all of them."
yeah and in wolverine 1 he took 100 armed pirates shooting him and cutting him and wasn't even slowed down.
"When Mystique was training in Arcade's Murderworld they listed his jugular/carotid as a vulnerable area because it was not protected by his "unbreakable skeleton."
i don't doubt it, he's got plenty of unprotected areas like his nut sack, but so does bats. what was your point here?
"It has to be the writer's interpretation, but he has been most often portrayed as having to take time to heal from his wounds. "
i'd say that's debateable.
"No way he heals instantly or even close to it."
perhaps not (and i never said he did), but under certain conditions it seems pretty damned close.
It's just a matter of inconsistancy in the writing, but there are more or less equal numbers of examples to support both sides.
heh I'll drop it, since my point has always been wolverine is gonna beat batman. But I can't pick up a 120lb boulder if it's shaped funny but I can definitely bench 275lbs...
Originally posted by Never
Batman has struggled to lift a 450lb boulder.Without Wolverine's healing factor/claws/adamantium, Batman thoroughly trashes him.
>>>yeah back in the day.
"New X-Men" written first by Grant Morrison is "back in the day?" No.
>>>the only way i figure, is he must be immune to some poisions but not others
Doubt it. Writers simply have creative (limited) liberty. That is why you see Juggernaut inconsistently written. Punisher stalemated Wolverine before. The next writer had Wolvie win in a curbstomp because he HATES Punisher. I really hope no one is naive enough to think that character bias does not exist.
>>>i don't doubt it, he's got plenty of unprotected areas like his nut sack, but so does bats. what was your point here?
If he "healed instantly" a throat slash would not even be an option, now would it? That's why they went for the throat.
>>>i'd say that's debateable.
Feel free. Guarantee you that for every "instant heal" or "ultra quick heal" reference you can find I will find 7-10 instances where he has been out for the count or has taken time to heal. GENERALLY SPEAKING (and this does not include those sporadic instances where a writer tweaks his healing factor for his individual purposes) the smaller/less serious the wound, the quicker the heal. That' been the case up until very recently.
Hulk does not even heal that quickly (blink of an eye) and his healing factor is superior.
>>>perhaps not (and i never said he did)
???
Sounded as if you were implying it here:
"yeah and in wolverine 1 he took 100 armed pirates shooting him and cutting him and wasn't even slowed down."
>>>heh I'll drop it, since my point has always been wolverine is gonna beat batman. But I can't pick up a 120lb boulder if it's shaped funny but I can definitely bench 275lbs...
If you read the comic book you will see that it was not the shape of the boulder, it was the weight. Heh. Not sure what you were trying there.
Again with the "How strong is Logan's healing factor?" debate!
Who cares!?
In a hand-to-hand fight, Batman would never be able to inflict
on Wolverine any kind of bodily damage that would require
serious healing time.
Let me repeat what I said earlier: If Batman can crack a couple
of Logan's ribs, then Logan can crack 5 or 6 of Wayne's, then
let's see Batman's normal healing factor do him any good! And
I'm not even factoring Wolverine's claws, since I believe he
can beat Batman without them.
Oh, about Logan healing from poisen or infections, people
seem to be forgeting when his healing factor over-came the
alien Brood infection in him. That was pretty quick as well.
>>>In a hand-to-hand fight, Batman would never be able to inflict
on Wolverine any kind of bodily damage that would require
serious healing time.
???? A broken leg? Neck? Arm? Shoulder? Helloooooo?
>>>If Batman can crack a couple
of Logan's ribs, then Logan can crack 5 or 6 of Wayne's, then
let's see Batman's normal healing factor do him any good!
Batman is SUPPOSED to be the superior martial artist. Is he even really worried about Wolverine lucking up and hitting him flush? *shrug*
>>>Oh, about Logan healing from poisen or infections, people
seem to be forgeting when his healing factor over-came the
alien Brood infection in him. That was pretty quick as well.
"The Goldilocks Syndrome" was the story arc I think? Uncanny #167 (first comic book I ever read) or so? Not certain what you mean by "pretty quick."
Let's go ONE issue backward when The Brood Queen hit him with a jolt of poison so powerful he was woozy for the rest of the comic book? He said, paraphrase, "That jolt almost overtaxed my system."
Anywho, this is what I mean by "inconsistent writing." He fought Archangel to a stalemate (another subpar showing against a subpar h2h combatant) and was tired as hell afterward. He ALSO fought Omega Red and his "death factor" for 15 or so hours, IIRC.
"Batman is SUPPOSED to be the superior martial artist. Is he even really worried about Wolverine lucking up and hitting him flush? *shrug*"
Thank You
I don't think Logans healing factor is anywhere near most have been claiming. This is added up with Batman's superiority in fighting, and is my reasoning, from the get, why Logan will lose.
Originally posted by Never
Batman is SUPPOSED to be the superior martial artist. Is he even really worried about Wolverine lucking up and hitting him flush? *shrug*
Who "supposed"?
You?
Jamaican?
I think are there people on this thread besides myself who would
seriously challenge your "supposed" assertion.
"Wolverine is a master of >>multiple forms of martial arts,<< weapons, and vehicles. He is also a trained expert in computers, explosives, and assassination techniques."
Batman SUPPOSEDLY mastered 127.
That is why I said "supposedly."
Wolverine had adamantium, a healing factor, didn't mind killing, took more pain, and STILL was thoroughly embarassed by Elektra. Left for dead, actually. Took him awhile to heal from those punctured lungs also.
Gosh, I guess he's overrated? LoL
Originally posted by Never
Batman SUPPOSEDLY mastered 127.That is why I said "supposedly."
I know Batman said that number to Cassandra when he was trying to influence her to train herself before taking the mantle of Batgirl again, but I don't think he's a master on all the styles. It's hard enough to master one let alone a hundred plus.
Wolverine had adamantium, a healing factor, didn't mind killing, took more pain, and STILL was thoroughly embarassed by Elektra. Left for dead, actually. Took him awhile to heal from those punctured lungs also.Gosh, I guess he's overrated? LoL
Without adamantium, his healing is far faster. He has a certain degree of immunity with poison, while others have overloaded or had strange effects with his system that required time for him to recuperate (i.e. Emmy Doolin mistaking him as the Hunter in Darkness and shooting him with poison tip pellets making him hallucinate to thinking she's a Wrangler).
Originally posted by who?-kid
You do exactly the same.
Losing to Elektra is hardly a "lower end showing"; moreover, I have stated on many many MANY occasions that he is written in a wildly inconsistent manner.
radioboy121
I know Batman said that number to Cassandra when he was trying to influence her to train herself before taking the mantle of Batgirl again, but I don't think he's a master on all the styles. It's hard enough to master one let alone a hundred plus.
*sigh* That is exactly why I said "supposedly," capitalizing it.
radioboy121
Without adamantium, his healing is far faster.
How do you know this? Was this explicitly stated or...extrapolated?
Originally posted by Never
How do you know this? Was this explicitly stated or...extrapolated?
It was Moira, Professor Xavier, and possibly Forge during the scenario when they placed a device to track Wolverine who was still recovering from the incident during Fatal Attractions. They observed that after he was run over by a speeding vehicle, and the second after his most of his bones were breaking, he almost instantly recovered and had time to sip a beer from the remanance of the vehicles' stock (I guess to emphasize that the situation meant little to him). Without adamantium, he also mentioned his senses were incredibly heightened too.