Originally posted by Never
Batman SUPPOSEDLY mastered 127.That is why I said "supposedly."
Well, maybe Batman mastered 127 martial arts styles (though
I doubt there even that many), maybe he didn't.
But we KNOW that Wolverine has lived longer, trained longer,
fought more opponents, and was trained to fight even
super-villains.
Besides, if we assume that Wayne began his intensive martial
arts training sometime during his late-teens or early twenties;
and if he became Batman sometimes in his later twenties or
very early thirties; and if he is currently in his mid- or late
forties or so (obviously comic book characters don't age in real
time), then that would mean that he's been training for no more
than thirty years, and fighting for no more than twenty.
Now compare that to Logan's much longer period of training
and fighting.
Batman's probably familiar with pieces of the 127 styles, mastering maybe a few (I don't think I've seen him use Capoeira). As Logan has put him weight on his healing, his fighting skills have not always be de facto in his repetoire during an encounter. But it also depends on his opponent and he will sometimes match [either with animal instinct or martial arts] in accordance to his opponent.
Originally posted by King Burger
Well, maybe Batman mastered 127 martial arts styles (though
I doubt there even that many), maybe he didn't.But we KNOW that Wolverine has lived longer, trained longer,
fought more opponents, and was trained to fight even
super-villains.Besides, if we assume that Wayne began his intensive martial
arts training sometime during his late-teens or early twenties;
and if he became Batman sometimes in his later twenties or
very early thirties; and if he is currently in his mid- or late
forties or so (obviously comic book characters don't age in real
time), then that would mean that he's been training for no more
than thirty years, and fighting for no more than twenty.Now compare that to Logan's much longer period of training
and fighting.
I'll tell you what jumps out at me: "Wolverine's fought more opponents."
Numerically impossible, considering the Batman character predates the Wolverine character by how many years?
Originally posted byradioboy121
His healing factor has shown to be better
I hear you, but will simply agree to disagree...and there is no way of knowing precisely how many forms of martial arts Batman has mastered. I have also heard that he mastered "every form of martial arts." Impossible for many, but well, Batman is the master of the "impossible."
But I digress.
"Who "supposed"?
You?
Jamaican?
I think are there people on this thread besides myself who would
seriously challenge your "supposed" assertion."
I think there are people on this thread that would tell you to check your grammar.
What do you mean by this, it means nothing to me, elaborate, please.
Look, don't be mad that your Logan who is supposed to be this 'big shot, bad ass killer, with healing power, and a great martial artist" falls to Wayne. Denial is the first stage. Get over it. As i've said before, just b/c someone trains in something, or has more experience than another, doesn't mean he's going to win.
Originally posted by Never
I'll tell you what jumps out at me: "Wolverine's fought more opponents."Numerically impossible, considering the Batman character predates the Wolverine character by how many years?
Whaaaaat? Are we now going to measure a character's age by
when he first appeared?
If that's the case, the Logan definitely wins, since he'd only be
thirty-something, while Wayne would be in his sixties.
Originally posted by Jamaican
"Who "supposed"?
You?
Jamaican?
I think are there people on this thread besides myself who would
seriously challenge your "supposed" assertion."I think there are people on this thread that would tell you to check your grammar.
What do you mean by this, it means nothing to me, elaborate, please.
Look, don't be mad that your Logan who is supposed to be this 'big shot, bad ass killer, with healing power, and a great martial artist" falls to Wayne. Denial is the first stage. Get over it. As i've said before, just b/c someone trains in something, or has more experience than another, doesn't mean he's going to win.
Oh no! I accidentally switched "are" and "there"! Oh well, I guess
now my arguments have been completey destroyed. Logan loses
afterall.
Jeez Jamaican, why'd you have to go and be so damned smart,
and stuff? I just bet all the ladies dig you, huh?
oh that's a simple misunderstanding I thought you were commenting on when he was poisioned while he was with mariko. which was back in the day, my bad.
"If he "healed instantly" a throat slash would not even be an option, now would it? That's why they went for the throat."
it might be enough to slow him down some and then give them the edge. seriously the guys recovered from being gutted in a couple of panals, a couple books later he'll take a couple of pages for the same kind of injury.
"Hulk does not even heal that quickly (blink of an eye) and his healing factor is superior"
well like it or not it happened. I really don't know what else to tell ya
bud.
wolverine vs. the 100 pirates thing is just suggesting how well his healing factor will help him in a fight, if 100 armed pirates shooting and hacking at his ass doesn't even slow him down, I think it's safe to assume that his healing factor will be more than helpful to him for this fight.
In a hand-to-hand fight, Batman would never be able to inflict
on Wolverine any kind of bodily damage that would require
serious healing time.
agreed.
"???? A broken leg? Neck? Arm? Shoulder? Helloooooo? "
Are we to assume batman won't be sustaining any injuries? hellooooo?
"Anywho, this is what I mean by "inconsistent writing." He fought Archangel to a stalemate (another subpar showing against a subpar h2h combatant) and was tired as hell afterward. He ALSO fought Omega Red and his "death factor" for 15 or so hours, IIRC."
if we're both in agreement on these points why do you keep trying to argue with me? crazy bastard. lol.
"I don't think Logans healing factor is anywhere near most have been claiming. This is added up with Batman's superiority in fighting, and is my reasoning, from the get, why Logan will lose."
and exactly how many wolverine comic have you read?
"Batman almost got killed by an old man wearing a leather armor.
Wolverine would have eaten that guy for breakfast."
seriously if bats got beat down by a senior citizen to within an inch of his life then he has no chance of beating this senior citizen, who's still in his prime and has a healing factor. lol.
"Does that mean that Bullseye will beat Wolverine?"
according to mark millar we're about to find out in a few months.
"and exactly how many wolverine comic have you read?"
Enough to know that either you guys are deluded or just plain stupid. (Don't worry, hopefully one day you'll come to your senses.)
"Are we to assume batman won't be sustaining any injuries? hellooooo?"
Like it or not, he's the better fighter, not that he wont get hit at all, but if one of them were to fight and not get hit, it wouldn't be Logan.
"Jeez Jamaican, why'd you have to go and be so damned smart,
and stuff? I just bet all the ladies dig you, huh?"
Thank You for the compliment, and to answer your question, yes they do.
"jamaican u need like some serious medication to calm down your nerves ,or you are just realy gay for lee and norris"
You need "like" to stop talking like a jackass and learn to talk proper english. Also, "like" how gay are you for lee and norris if you keep bringing them up, i brought them up once. How gay are you, for 'like' even mentioning something homosexual, is there something in your subconcious you should look about?
"did i touch a nerve?"
No you didn't, but thank you for all the attention you and fat burger give me, makes me feel......so warm inside. BTW is that what 'Queen Burger' asks you at night?
This is stupid, Logan is so highly trained and instinctive when it comes to fighting, to say he wouldn't inflict the same amount if not more damage on batman than batman would on him (with a friggin healing factor) is absurd. That's implying that bat's is lightyears ahead of wolverine in fighting skill,,,,,he ain't logan might not be better, but he's certainly no slouch either, it's been stated in Marvel comics over and over again, that wolverine is one of the MU's best h2h fighters, right up there with the like of the cap, who is dead on par with bats.
Does anyone remember when that female magistrate kicked wolvies behind in Genosha, not once but twice? Even with his healing factor he can be put down. And In terms of experience, we know so little about wolverine past. All we can be sure about is that he was a trained fighter a little before wwI. So he has maybe 4 scores of experience. It would be a tie if he had his admantium. but without it his healing factor is outstanding. Batman would have to use the dim mak technique just to stand a chance. And even then who knows what it would do to wolvie.
Originally posted by Irish Wolverine
His healing factor is better without adamantium because he doesn't have to keep fighting off the adamantium poisoning.
So Wolverine without the adamantium is probably even more dangerous for Batman than with his adamantium skeleton.
seriously though, to sy bruce isn't getting a concussion or some broken bones from this fight is absurd.
>>>oh that's a simple misunderstanding I thought you were commenting on when he was poisioned while he was with mariko. which was back in the day, my bad.
I was commenting on that instance. Point being it happened back then and happened recently.
>>> seriously the guys recovered from being gutted in a couple of panals, a couple books later he'll take a couple of pages for the same kind of injury.
THAT'S MY POINT! However, there are FAR more instances of him taking "a couple of pages" than there are of him recovering in "a couple of panels."
>>>well like it or not it happened. I really don't know what else to tell ya bud.
I honestly could not care less and was not debating whether or not it happened -- point being it is inconsistent with the manner in which his healing factor is TYPICALLY portrayed.
>>>Are we to assume batman won't be sustaining any injuries? hellooooo?
That was not even the argument. He stated that Batman would NOT be able to inflict any kind of damage that could slow Wolverine down. He was incorrect.
>>>if we're both in agreement on these points why do you keep trying to argue with me? crazy bastard. lol.
Yo mama~!
>>>and exactly how many wolverine comic have you read?
Heh. Let's see, Uncanny from '95 -- 380ish (the number might not be exact; it was right after Bachalo left), X-Men (Jim Lee relaunch) up until Pacheco stopped pencilling; Kitty Pryde vs. Wolverine; Secret Wars; Wolverine mini-series; New X-Men until Grant Morrison left (I think Silvestri pencilled the last story arc); about 20 or so of the Wolverine comic book; assorted other Wolverine appearances over the past 24 years.
In other words? More than you. What was the point in that?
>>>seriously if bats got beat down by a senior citizen to within an inch of his life then he has no chance of beating this senior citizen, who's still in his prime and has a healing factor. lol.
Seriously, if the Patriots got beat down by the Colts who blew away the Steelers, there is no way that the Patriots can beat the Steelers.
Wrong.
>>>This is stupid, Logan is so highly trained and instinctive when it comes to fighting, to say he wouldn't inflict the same amount if not more damage on batman than batman would on him (with a friggin healing factor) is absurd.
It really isn't. Captain America is considered to be the best non-cosmic h2h combatant in the MU. He and Batman, for all intents and purposes, STALEMATED.
Wolverine isn't.
The slight advantage Batman has (a bit a better fighter, true, but they are close) is not enough to deal with the other abilities Wolverine possesses.
Wolverine has taken so much punishment over the years, from Spider-Man to the Hulk, from Sabretooth to Lady Deathstrike, all people who can kill any normal human being with only one punch.
Batman has no belt, remember ? So he only can knock him down with his fists. I just don’t see that happening, and certainly not to an adamantium-less Wolverine.
Wolverine can take a few punches from the Hulk, Batman hasn’t got a fraction of Hulks strength.
Again, the slight advantage is imo not enough.