Originally posted by WindDancer
The Christians claim to be forgiving in their preachings. So if they are soooo forgiving they'll forget the sins of the so-called sinners and let them in.
you dont understand- if they are turning their ways around they will be forgiving and they will forget their sins but not if they continue to walk in it in ignorance
Originally posted by WindDancer
So you heard it from Jesus own mouth? No, you must have read it from the NT. That means that some homophobic disciple or some priest coulda have change or re-writting the message. But since that we aren't talking about alterations in the bible I'll go back to the comment of judging others. And since you pointed out a contradiction of a gay man teaching the scriptures of the bible let me remind you that such case isn't new. Because Popes (who were not gay) were engaging in holy wars a few centuries ago. The message of Jesus was love and care for your brothers. Obviously those popes were contradicting the scriptures.Is not about leadership. That's what you guys don't get. The only leader is Jesus. And Jesus is the only one that can judge and lead the believers. What you guys should be doing is spreading love and concern for your fellow man. Not exclude him/her because of his/her sexual preferences. When Jesus return he will judge you and me and everyone else. How is going to feel like when you're standing before the Holy judge and he reads to you the charges of not loving or caring for your fellow man/woman? And even worse charge will be that discrimiated and didn't allow your fellow man to read the teachings of the holy father? When Jesus returns (according to the NT) he will be judge/jury/ and to a certain extreme an executioner.
There might be thousands of priests.. but there are few great priests...
No human is infallible, but it is their best as priests to keep their role as priests... You can't judge a human being from others, just because others are what they are...
Originally posted by Echuu
Those scriptures say that we can judge those within the church- if there is a gay in the church that is practicing homosexuality it isn't wrong for a chrictian to point out those verses and say what he is doing is wrong- if he is trying to change his ways thats different. I don't think that you can be a practicing believer and homosexual at the same time- they are direct contradiction of each other.
God has called each christian to a different ministry whether it be preaching or teaching.
Then those scriptures shall you for judging your gay brothers and sisters. And God did not called each Christian to a different ministry. Your leaders like Martin Luther and Joseph Smith (among a few) made their own versions of Christianity and thought their own version of the bible. God didn't separate them....they separated themselves.
Originally posted by Echuu
you dont understand- if they are turning their ways around they will be forgiving and they will forget their sins but not if they continue to walk in it in ignorance
And who are you to say who is the ignorant or who is the sinful? In God's eyes we are all the same. And we are all sinners. Again neither you or I can say who will be forgive and who will not be forgiving. Is Jesus call in the end and not the believers opinion.
Originally posted by Echuu
but its still does condemn them- even if the verses are only a few
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
And so on.
If someone wants to be consistent about his observance of biblical restrictions and prohibitions, then he must also preach and practice abstinence from many other activities that are commonplace in our society. With a few exceptions, most people are not willing to apply the morality of the bible to their lives today.
Originally posted by WindDancer
Then those scriptures shall you for judging your gay brothers and sisters. And God did not called each Christian to a different ministry. Your leaders like Martin Luther and Joseph Smith (among a few) made their own versions of Christianity and thought their own version of the bible. God didn't separate them....they separated themselves.And who are you to say who is the ignorant or who is the sinful? In God's eyes we are all the same. And we are all sinners. Again neither you or I can say who will be forgive and who will not be forgiving. Is Jesus call in the end and not the believers opinion.
ive tried and tried to get my points over but this is getting ridiculous
I am not going to judge a homosexual outside of the church- but if he/she wants to become a christian they will have to give up homosexuality.
Originally posted by WindDancer
Then those scriptures shall you for judging your gay brothers and sisters. And God did not called each Christian to a different ministry. Your leaders like Martin Luther and Joseph Smith (among a few) made their own versions of Christianity and thought their own version of the bible. God didn't separate them....they separated themselves.And who are you to say who is the ignorant or who is the sinful? In God's eyes we are all the same. And we are all sinners. Again neither you or I can say who will be forgive and who will not be forgiving. Is Jesus call in the end and not the believers opinion.
Jesus can only judge us as you said, well, Jesus leaved something behind, and that's the Bible... Those are his words...
Originally posted by Echuu
ive tried and tried to get my points over but this is getting ridiculousI am not going to judge a homosexual outside of the church- but if he/she wants to become a christian they will have to give up homosexuality.
Oh I get your point. What you don't get is that why are you trying to get into your gay Christian brother/sister private life? If a gay christian has sex with another gay than this his private life. In the end of times when Jesus return he will the one making the judgement. Until then none of you can judge or shall tell your gay christian brother/sister what to do and say.
Originally posted by Storm
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the lord thy god: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.
And so on.
If someone wants to be consistent about his observance of biblical restrictions and prohibitions, then he must also preach and practice abstinence from many other activities that are commonplace in our society. With a few exceptions, most people are not willing to apply the morality of the bible to their lives today.
yes yes- some things change over time though
women were stoned if caught in adulutery but jesus says otherwise now- women are much more independent and educated than they were back then- they usually had a husband to speak for them but now they dont need one
that sabbath day one- the pharisees tried to use that one on jesus also- but he changed that too
Originally posted by WindDancer
Oh I get your point. What you don't get is that why are you trying to get into your gay Christian brother/sister private life? If a gay christian has sex with another gay than this his private life. In the end of times when Jesus return he will the one making the judgement. Until then none of you can judge or shall tell your gay christian brother/sister what to do and say.
It is for none of us to judge... Echuu was just making a point there by refering to what the Bible wrote down...
Originally posted by WindDancer
Oh I get your point. What you don't get is that why are you trying to get into your gay Christian brother/sister private life? If a gay christian has sex with another gay than this his private life. In the end of times when Jesus return he will the one making the judgement. Until then none of you can judge or shall tell your gay christian brother/sister what to do and say.
if i know about it, it isnt really private anymore is it? im just gonna keep going back to the scripture that says we can judge another believer whithin the church- the reason it says that is so that we dont cause others to stumble.
It wouldnt be a good witness for the church to have a homosexual that is professing to be a christian because it says in the bible that homoesexuals wont go to heaven.
I know that if i were becoming a christian i would wonder why they would tolerate something God says shouldnt be tolerated. It basically defeats the purpose of christianity all together
Originally posted by peterKSL
It is for none of us to judge... Echuu was just making a point there by refering to what the Bible wrote down...
That's fine I'm not judging him. I'm merely pointing out that Christianity claims it welcomes everyone into their faith.....why they can't welcome the homosexual is something that puzzles me.
Originally posted by WindDancer
That's fine I'm not judging him. I'm merely pointing out that Christianity claims it welcomes everyone into their faith.....why they can't welcome the homosexual is something that puzzles me.
the only reason that they couldnt is because christianity directly teaches that homosexuality i wrong
these two things contradict each other thats why
it really makes so much sense if you think about it
Originally posted by WindDancer
That's fine I'm not judging him. I'm merely pointing out that Christianity claims it welcomes everyone into their faith.....why they can't welcome the homosexual is something that puzzles me.
It is not born homosexual that is considered a sin, it is homosexuality...
And it is stated in the Bible, for those who are christians, they are suppose to follow the Bible right? Regardless you are a priest or whatsoever...
Originally posted by Echuu
the only reason that they couldnt is because christianity directly teaches that homosexuality i wrongthese two things contradict each other thats why
it really makes so much sense if you think about it
There are many things that christianity teaches. Among them are tolerance and to forgive others who do wrong. It really would be much better if they can set aside their phobias and tried to understand each other as human beings and also as brothers and sisters